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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What is wrong with this picture?

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LaSqrrl · 18/06/2018 22:33

From a facebook page called Queer: Jodiendo al género binario which I believe translates as Queer: F'ing the Gender Binary.

Good meme posted in the comments though. Useful for here!

What is wrong with this picture?
What is wrong with this picture?
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BiologyIsReal · 19/06/2018 12:37

T'was done to avoid a CS - so the women could go on to have lots more little babies even if they were in permanent pain and could hardly walk. So a chap could have even more than one baby this way.....

ElfrideSwancourt · 19/06/2018 12:55

A foetus requiring more calcium will take it from your bones, not your teeth.
Teeth are vulnerable in pregnancy because the hormones that soften up ligaments also affect the periodontal ligaments that attach the teeth to the mandible and maxilla (jawbones).

MipMipMip · 19/06/2018 12:56

Do you think it's meant to go through the 5 ft long bowel? Then men can beat women with having longest labours too. Yay!

ErrolTheDragon · 19/06/2018 13:22

Oh... is this one of the reasons some trans people apparently want to be allowed to do surgery on each other - DIY CS? (Probably not as bad as the alternatives TBH)

Ugh. The whole thing really isn't funny but sometimes black humour is the only response possible.

Pythagonal · 19/06/2018 13:38

I had an eye-opening Twitter conversation with some medics about uterus transplantation (I need to get out more, I know).

If - and it's apparently a big if - you could get a blood supply to the uterus, you'd still have Graft versus Host Disease (GVHD) to contend with:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graft-versus-host_disease

One of the drugs used as a prophylaxis against this is methotrexate, a drug developed for chemotherapy, now used to treat auto-immune diseases and an abortifacient.

According to one of the medics in the conversation, as the baby grew, it would break a male pelvis.

I can't see a male carrying a viable pregnancy to term without some giant leaps forward in medical knowledge.

LaSqrrl · 19/06/2018 13:41

According to one of the medics in the conversation, as the baby grew, it would break a male pelvis.
It could surely 'identify' as a wide pelvis?

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Datun · 19/06/2018 13:48

I agree about black humour.

I'm snorting at this thread.

Although my money still on ass babies. 😂

picklemepopcorn · 19/06/2018 14:54

My baby was 10lb5oz, which the chaps may wish to consider before attempting this exciting advance. Delivering him was more than a little exciting, and the crunching noises as he widened my pelvis for me was matched for goriness only by the blood under my toenails. Yes, 'tis a marvellous thing, I can see why they want to go through it.

boatyardblues · 19/06/2018 19:32

Just showed DH the anatomical drawing in the OP: “Blokes would just ask for a caesarian, wouldn’t they? No one would bother shitting out a baby!”

SomeDyke · 19/06/2018 20:20

Any biologists in the house? Because seems to me the physical aspects of a womb, and the immune system aspects, seem to me to make it a huge difference between, say, laying eggs, and carrying a little one or two to term?

ALthough there are some fascinating skinks where some do eggs, some do live birth, and article says:

"That suggests that it is rather easy to evolve. After all, to give birth to live young, a female simply has to keep the developing offspring inside herself for longer. But this gives rise to a host of challenges: she must provide it with food so that it can keep growing, protect it from her own immune system, which is liable to attack it, and ultimately eject it in a way that doesn’t kill it."

Whereas the male reproductive system, let's face it, evolving from a cloaca to a penis is hardly the most impressive feat! Just elongate a tube and stick some erectile tissue in there, or perhaps a bone or two, not much difference! Although apparently female dinosaurs did the same calcium from yer bones trick!

Seems yet again females had to do all the heavy lifting as regards evolution of reproduction, males just obsessed about size, had fights, and created flashy displays of useless stuff................

OlennasWimple · 19/06/2018 20:26

Wombs are not "plug and play" organs

ErrolTheDragon · 19/06/2018 22:14

According to pratchetts link 'obsession' upthread, some men are thinking about 'abdominal pregnancy', a rare phenomenon in women where the egg implants and develops outside the womb. But it 'kills 10 percent of the women who experience it and 70 percent of their babies.'.
Can't see that getting past an ethics committee.

AuntyElle · 19/06/2018 22:25

According to one of the medics in the conversation, as the baby grew, it would break a male pelvis.

Bloody hell, that brings it home.

ChattyLion · 19/06/2018 23:10

Womb transplants for women are still highly experimental. Men’s bodies are just not able to do this, whatever their gender presentation, legal certification etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44360786

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5805569/Womb-transplants-three-British-women-hope-getting-pregnant.html

wombtransplantuk.org/the-uk-womb-transplant-research-team-to-expand-research-programme

KreigersClones · 19/06/2018 23:23

Seriously though, just where do they think they’re getting all these wombs from
That’s all I ever think about when I hear that womb transplants are going to happen.
Where are you getting the womb from?
I feel like I’m the ‘savage’ pulled out of the jungle in brave new world Confused

thebewilderness · 19/06/2018 23:31

Seriously though, just where do they think they’re getting all these wombs from That’s all I ever think about when I hear that womb transplants are going to happen. Where are you getting the womb from?

Some of the teen girls who transition are volunteering to donate them.

KreigersClones · 19/06/2018 23:34

I can see it now, a de-transitioner going to court to get her womb back.

thebewilderness · 20/06/2018 03:46

Detransitioning would be a violation of the law as I understand the regulations governing transitioning and Self ID. They would be prosecuted for fraud.

LaSqrrl · 20/06/2018 03:54

Here is a related Twitter exchange. From the mid-point, which is self-contained, but scroll back up to the start as well.

twitter.com/julierei/status/1009060532337295360?s=21

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thebewilderness · 20/06/2018 04:05

www.lupronvictimshub.com/

Pratchet · 20/06/2018 04:43

Bewilderness: that brings it home. Illegal to detransition. .

thebewilderness · 20/06/2018 05:42

Isn't that part of the argument, Pratchet? They have said that anyone who self IDs will be certain sure about it because there are penalties for detransitioning.
I would prefer that children and adults be able to detransition without punishment.

BettyDuMonde · 20/06/2018 05:50

These babies will be IVF babies, right? Because they are only talking womb transplants, no one is thinking there will also be room for some secondhand ovaries/Fallopian tubes etc?

Because someone really should warn them about the risk of multiples with IVF - shitting one baby through a 5ft bowel would be bad enough. Imagine two or three?

borntobequiet · 20/06/2018 05:53

People are easily convinced by pictorial representations of impossible things. Angels, for instance. Angel wings would be impossible on a human form, and could never sustain flight. In fact they look ridiculous. Yet people accept them, and many believe in angels.

Pratchet · 20/06/2018 06:13

I never took the 'declaration for life' seriously. It's so meaningless. I assumed that penalties for detransition would be minimal and ignored, and eventually dropped. They're only there to try to convince us that it's a meaningful process.