Why I can no longer use the term transwoman...

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... this actually makes me sad.

It is a term I have used for ages, comfortable with the compromise it encapsulated .... seeing it as a word much like seahorse - not horses, but sharing some characteristics ... and wanting to be generous to those who had had a tough time being able to express themselves and be accepted by society

But now - thanks to this board and especially to the MRAs - I can no longer use it.

I realise that it is a strategic move on their part - so that eventually there will be two groups of people:

transwomen and women ... i.e. the class of women
men and transmen ... i.e. the class of men... though I'm not sure the transmen get much of a look in

And yes, every time I now read the term trans woman with that all important gap signifying no greater difference than "tall woman" or "Asian woman" .... it makes me truly frightened for our future and for our daughters

I will follow mumsnet guidance on the new language we must all use... this forum is too important in enabling the world to see what is happening: I love the fact that the media and politicians take a peak here to see what women are saying.... so yes, I will play the strange new game of verbal linguistics.... while recognising that my own position is shifting (and continues to do so)

Huh? Mumsnet have said the term transwomen is fine.

I am confused

Never mind. I think I misunderstood and you are saying you no longer feel comfortable using the term transwoman.

I won't call them that either - end off. I will call them XY wo men. It's not my preferred choice which is a mans name beginning with T but that's against the roolz cos it hurties feelz.

Just to avoid confusion... mumsnet have said transwoman is fine without a gap..... It is that my perception of this word and everything that it encapsulates has shifted.....

I can no longer morally use it, knowing what the end game is ... that Shon Faye's enjoy your erasure when speaking to women is what a well-resourced and obsessed group are actually aiming to do.... When I first read SF's comment, I thought of SF as an outlier... now I just see SF as an outspoken tip of a huge and threatening iceberg

boopsy .... you have wonderfully demonstrated the challenge of Mumsnet new guidance.... none of us, unless we invest a large chunk of time and play some verbal gymnastics.... are quite sure what is and isn't allowed and in what context.....

And if you think of posters on other threads who are unaware that this guidance even exists!!!

That said, I am trusting to Mumsnet being on the side of biological women and children ... and recognise that for whatever reasons there are some hoops they have to jump through

I am deeply grateful to them for providing a free-speaking forum for so long and hopeful that they will enable many of us to continue to speak forever....We don't yet know what their line in the sand is, and I suspect they don't yet either

I used to say transwoman but our kindness in doing so was exploited and abused. They don't get woman at all from me, or girl, or female, or she, or her. Not any more. We got kicked in the teeth by transactivists and they want me to tell a lie to keep them happy? Not on your Nelly.

I have to correct my phone's autocorrect, it wants that precious gap that turns the prefix into an adjective and surreptitiously influences thought patterns...
I'm not nice anymore.

Can you write transwoMEN I wonder? There's no gap.

Personally I don't mind the term transwoman that much, because to me it literally means "biological male who identifies as a woman". But I can understand other points of view.

(It's interesting that my iPhone tries to put a space in automatically though, and highlights it as a typo! Subtle form of population indoctrination there.)

Same as Pratchet

Agree with mogleflop I think though my thoughts and feelings about the whole thing are ever developing and changing to be honest.

It was a TRA was saying that we shouldn't say "transwomen"...not Mumsnet.

We hear so much about trans ideology and their demands, we also lose track of what the law actually says.

Can you write transwoMEN I wonder?

I haven't been ok with the word transwoman for a while now. I'm not prepared to concede that they are any type of woman. They are men. That's it. I'm not going to be nice. My answer is NO.

Now, where is this big hill?

Now, where is this big hill?

When you find it, let me know as this Trans shite is the one I'll die on.

I am happy to use transwoman (no gap) to describe a man who has physically transitioned. But why on earth should we be expected to use it to describe a man with a sexual fetish for wearing women's clothing etc or who is doing it for power and control reasons (eg male prisoners trying to get access to a female prison)?

Yes, I'd love to see a men's forum be so obliging for a bunch of feminists who weren't even regular, contributing members. Women who were hostile and obnoxious towards the men who actually were regular, contributing members, and who not only had nil interest or need for any of the advertisers products but were also organising on other platforms to harass and boycott those advertisers.

Yeah, I think I'm also done with using 'transwoman'.

(It's interesting that my iPhone tries to put a space in automatically though, and highlights it as a typo! Subtle form of population indoctrination there.)

I noticed this a while ago too and was thinking exactly the same thing, but then many of they-that-must-be-obeyed work in IT so maybe not that much of a surprise...chilling none the less...

Will someone remind me what we are supposed to be avoiding? I got confused!

The irony is that the average person on the street probably thinks 'transwoman' is the term for a woman who thinks she is a man.

Still I agree that language matters and that's why I felt that trans-identifying male was a good term.

Yes, I'd love to see a men's forum be so obliging for a bunch of feminists who weren't even regular, contributing members. Women who were hostile and obnoxious towards the men who actually were regular, contributing members, and who not only had nil interest or need for any of the advertisers products but were also organising on other platforms to harass and boycott those advertisers.

Yes. You'd just expect to be instantly banned for trolling wouldn't you. It's utterly ludicrous that this is being not only tolerated but accommodated.

Yes I agree. They are not and never will be women. So that's me done with being nice.