Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

[hungryhippie]

twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

Picasso - many will be unaware of these type of arguments. It's important people know the true reality of the situation.

But Joan - don't forget it's they who are the vulnerable ones. They need protection.

Us female- born- female- identifying people are the ones with all the privilege and power....

Sigh.

Great series of important quotes by women:
ReSisters UK
'Women who refuse to be silenced'

(June 15th)
twitter.com/ResistersUK/status/1007877932877041664

Who has to be nice? I probably follow half of you on twitter and some of you might be following me back. I use my real name on there and my posts are often very robust to say the least. But it doesn't hurt to find common ground with someone seeking to engage constructively. I probably don't agree with them as much as anyone, but there was a fair amount of game-playing going on.

Have you read Clare's blog SeaHorses?

I think for me, I wanted to engage with Clare, but I didn't feel Clare was being truly authentic once I had started to read the blogs and especially what was said about WP.

Clare was repeatedly asked to explain. Many points and Clare choice to ignore. It came across quite high and mighty and like Clare was unwilling to engage.

Why is it always, always up to us to make the allowances? Quite down to let others have their say?

Pressed too soon...

Quiten down to let others have their say? Hen simply have to go along with it and any anger, disagreement or passion is seen as aggression or transphobia.

We have to take a different angle and give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has publicly said they are AGP, ignored male violence, made a threat against women about how it will affect the trans community, ignored any calls for debate and explanation...

But is us who have to see everything g from another perspective?

I disagree that they were ever engaging constructively. They were merailing and it was really innappropriate in the circumstances. Since then a link to their blog has been posted, I suggest you check it for yourself and think on how constructive any dialogue with this person is going to be. It isn't worth my time, I can tell you that.

Insofar as I can see, there was a bomb threat against WPUK that the police have taken very seriously and this prompted Clare to turn up in order to minimise the fact that transactivism has created an environment so hostile to women that we are now facing actual, bona fide, terrorism.

For me, this characterises extremist transactivism. Absolutely, utterly, totally incapable of reflecting on the consequences of its demands and actions if they affect any group but itself.

Women should take note. When people tell you who they are, believe them.

Exactly Lang

Incidentally, it's a shame the National Newspapers haven't published a story about this threat. It would hopefully really hit home about what we are truly up against....

When people tell you who they are, believe them.

Yes, absolutely.

'Pile on' irritates me. We are many, there are lots of us, because it's a feminist board for women. I don't know why it's expected that when one or two come on to express a different view, even an anti-woman view, we should decide between ourselves that most of should withdraw to make it even and not a 'pile on'. It's just another silencing tactic.

I mean as a consensus? Because I see posts written in what seems an attempt to satisfy one person torn apart by the next.

..surely there IS no 'as a consensus' on a public message board, as people all have their own opinions on stuff?

For shame read 'conscious decision'

And I agree with Lang and Joan

There have been a few posts recently that suggest that it's women's fault that anti feminism is on the increase. Often it's because we object to certain words,don't speak in an acceptable way, don't speak as one or don't engage enough.

I don't think this is correct. I don't think women acting or not acting in a particular way will stop people being against the liberation of women and girls.

I don't like the victim blaming and minimising that has gone on.

Why is there no press coverage of this incident?

Clare, I was reading your blog in which you describe being sexually aroused by the fantasy of yourself as a woman.

Is that not precisely the definition of autogynaephilia (AGP) which is Latin for a man being aroused by fantasies of being a woman?

Please see the following thread for examples of persistant derailing during serious discussions about vulnerable women in homeless services (including a murder) and the privacy and dignity of school girls:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3266198-No-True-Transwoman-transadvocates-question-whether-TW-is-genuine-after-said-TW-sexually-harasses-women-in-homeless-shelter

So we are concerned about a bomb threat, then bomb making equipment being found, and someone who gets off with asking no consent, on using people as props in a fantasy is derailing it?

Hello, any press about?

Why is there no press coverage of this incident?

Especially now that WPUK have revealed this is their second event to receive bomb threats.

And now we can wonder on all the venues that cancelled events citing 'safety concerns'.

@Alltheprettyseahorses

I would have agreed with you until I read Clare's blog.

Prof. Michael Biggs article: users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf

(extract)
"After the meeting a transwoman who founded Trans Oxford (Amada Dee) took to twitter to condemn ‘the shameful campaign of #bullying and #intimidation organised by the students and #transactivists outside of the #QuakerHouse. … I think @WomansPlaceUK do invite everyone as long as they have something to #contribute to the #debate. I know a number of #transsexuals who attended and spoke at their #events (and were immediately branded as apostates by the #transcommunity).’ This demonstrates yet again that transgender activists cannot claim to speak for the entire community of transgender people, whose political views are as diverse as any other demographic group.

Perversely, the violence and intimidation inflicted by transgender activists is then used to portray themselves as victims. Woman’s Place cannot announce their meetings in advance because the venue will be harassed, and so transgender activists portray it as a secretive organization. Dr Clara Barker, a transwoman at the University of Oxford, refused to attend the meeting despite having a personal invitation from one of the speakers, Dr Nic Williams.
Barker cited safety fears: ‘A number of events involving people who oppose trans-rights have ended up with physical violence.’ Of course the only violence at such events has been inflicted by transgender activists on women.

Campaigns of harassment and intimidation have become staple tools of transgender activism in the last fifteen years"

The full statement made by Amanda Dee (founder of Trans Oxford) is below in thread.
She commented after protests at WPUK meeting in Oxford,

"last night the tables have turned - and the bullied became the bullies"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3234661-Condemnation-of-the-shameful-campaign-of-bullying-intimidation-against-WPUK-meeting-by-founder-of-TransOxford

Ok, anyone up for emailing the Daily Mail?

No, I haven't read the blog because I'm not interested in it. I do think one particular speaker for WPUK is transphobic. I also don't care about someone's sexual proclivities. All Clare wanted to do (as far as I can see) was answer the early demands for condemnation from the trans community and given the media interest in transpeople this could actually be helpful to - well it isn't a cause is it? What is it then? Individual women shouting into the void?

You think is about being 'interested' seahorses? You think I give two shits about what gets someone off in the privacy of their own home?

The point is that it is now in the public sphere and it is a danger to women.

We have every right to find out the background and be informed on someone to check the authenticity of their argument!

Is not like we didn't find anything of any relevance is it?! If we had twisted anything on that blog I may partly be able to see where you are coming from. But it's all there in back and white!

I also don't care about someone's sexual proclivities.

The push to de-medicalise Gender Identity is all about sexual proclivities.

Cross dressing is sexual. Which is fine, when it's between consenting adults, however when its taken into the workplace, when the police are engaging in their sexual fetish whilst policing the public, when we all have to submit to the domination of this fetish whenever and wherever it is freely exercised by men without anyone being permitted to give consent or to withhold it, and that's not even considering children's safeguarding, is this still something we should all say "I don't care" to?

Is that the group think position you are promoting?