Who have we lost?

[Pratchet]

I hope uterati comes back. I have seen all the great women today plus lots of new ones.

Mumsnet rules stop them shouting us down as they do in other parts of the web.

While we can continue speaking calmly, logically, about the impact of this nonsense on women and children, lurkers will still become inspired and informed.

This is such a good point.

I don't feel afraid on Mumsnet - because threats and attacks aren't allowed to stand. I'm anonymous here - it's a safe space for me.

I am upset by the latest moderating guidelines - but I think we can continue to protest them, continue to discuss the issues (carefully continue to raise awareness.

Btw - I recommend anyone who hasn't already done so to watch Venice's WNTT meeting on FB.

There was one woman on there - I'm sure loads of people on here know who she is, but I hadn't seen her before - Lisa B (I think). Talking about narcissistic rage - and how once you see it for what it is, it doesn't affect you anymore.

This is what we're dealing with - narcissistic rage.

I won't be doing any personal attacks but it will be a cold day in hell before I call any man by a term that has woman in it. And I won't sneak off like a thief in the night. MNHQ will have to ban me.

Fuck yeah ✊

This is what we're dealing with - narcissistic rage.

We really are. It's not pretty.

It's lisa muggeridge, absolute stormer on twitter I think?

Was it Lisa Muggeridge - she's amazing. I follow her on Twitter, but didn't realise it was her.

Hats off to her. I like to hear "We Can Win This!" - because sometimes it feels like we're going to donning the red cloaks and white bonnets soon...

I think it was, yes, planet-sized brain

I also follow Lisa on Twitter. I haven’t seen her talking , I’ll have a look at at that. She is an amazing woman.

It was Lisa Muggeridge.

Lisa's brilliant, even if she doesn't think Wales exists. 😆

Delurking as well. Please don’t leave. And echoing what others have said about targeting advertisers. It would be far more effective if they had a mass deluge of emails quietly thanking them for their continued support of a platform for mothers, (who tend to hold household purse strings) despite a lot of immature noise from a tiny minority

Delurking here too.
Like many others I was on MN for general chat and support. I slowly, vaguely became aware of the trans threads but didn’t read any because I thought of myself as open minded and progressive and thought I already knew my stance on the issue. I thought it was all probably a bit of a storm in a teacup and maybe even a little bit reactionary and man-hating and as I didn’t think I was ‘one of those reactionary man hating type of feminists’ I stayed away.

Then eventually one of the thread titles caught my eye (can’t remember what it was) and I thought ah well I’d better at least check out what all this fuss is about.

That was about 6 months ago and I have been avidly reading ever since. Am still astonished on a daily basis by the craziness of it all. Now realise that I agree am more of a radical feminist that I thought and am thirsty for more information.

Reading posts by Uterati, the Bewilderness, Datun and others has been so illuminating and offers what feels like taking a long cool drink of crystal clear water when the world currently seems addicted to the kool aid.

It is SO important that these issues continue to be discussed here by you eloquent and informed women. You continue to enlighten people like me on a daily basis and help us out if the dark and give us the words to understand and articulate our instinctive concerns. I would never have found, or engaged with these discussions on another forum. I dint know the problem existed, let alone where to look for intelligent discussion.

I will do my best to contribute from now on (though feel like I still have so much to learn) I will find more courage to speak up in real life (no one I know is talking about this stuff!)
Am now actively looking to attend events and see how u can become more involved.

Big thanks to all you amazing women for the education. I know there are many like me who you have encouraged into the light. Please, please stay if you can!

Ugh. That’s an ‘I’ not a ‘u’ in the last sentence.

This is an important feminist space, always has been. That's why they attack us. It is one of the only female-dominated, high profile, politically active spaces on the internet - and we should fight for it.

This cannot be said too often..... you are amazing women! xx

It's not just the discussion, it is the articles being shared, raising awareness of what is going on in the world. We need all these things, both for lurkers and regulars.

I'm here. Becoming less of a lurker, generally agreeing with far more eloquent speakers than adding. I will do that more now. I have children in two different high schools and both have at least one teenager who thinks they shouldn't be the sex they were born into. That's my biggest worry. I'm genuinely concerned that young lesbians think they are the wrong sex or those who do come out our marginalised further by men using their spaces.

It is SO important that these issues continue to be discussed here by you eloquent and informed women. You continue to enlighten people like me on a daily basis and help us out if the dark and give us the words to understand and articulate our instinctive concerns.

Delurking to agree wholeheartedly with this.

I was unaware of the threat to sex segregated spaces until March this year, after the trades union woman was attacked on her picket line and I googled for background information. Since then I have been busy informing my social network (consisting mainly of women born in the 1950's).

As a lesbian and feminist since the 1970's I don't feel comfortable reading hateful, derisory comments about trans people, which is why mumsnet's women's rights board has been so helpful. I do not consider robust debate or plain statements of biological fact as hate.

I'm gutted that mumsnet has decided to participate in the silencing of women, and hope that if everyone does decide to move elsewhere someone will PM me a link to the new address.

I am mostly lurking but I'm not going anywhere - I was out and proud on Twitter till I got banned - I do keep commenting on RadFem FB pages so hopefully am peaktransing a few people here and there. I have peaktransed my husband, brother and neighbour so far! And I will keep going, however I can.

I wonder who they'll target once they've closed down Mumsnet's discussions?

There isn't any other big U.K. group is there?

I wonder who they'll target once they've closed down Mumsnet's discussions?

They are targeting and discredited any group that may oppose self id and any changes to the EA they are planning.

thebewilderness:"I am unsure of what I can do.
I have been silenced, demonized, lied about, and given a strike."

I knew you'd be a target, I'm just surprised at who have been among those targeting you.

And the fact that you have been targeted is further proof of how necessary your contribution is. You are one of the regulars whose thoughtful arguments have opened my eyes.

I'm still here (might be doing another namechange when I think of one amusing again)... but I'm elsewhere on the net as well. I simply don't like being told to stop talking - never did (school reports testify to this) - so the odds are I'll get deleteobanned eventually.

I mean - if I need to have an existential crisis over the use of toilet brushes or which detergent to use to wash my bedsheets for the 57th time a day... where else am I going to come?

MNHQ may find that the three strikes within six weeks policy will be used as a tool to hollow out FWR.

MNHQ may find that the three strikes within six weeks policy will be used as a tool to hollow out FWR.

Given the six week time frame, instead of say, one week, it is pretty much a certainty that clearing out of FWR was the aim.

As it is, I have not commented much - mainly, I am still getting my head around the bloody new rules, which have been crafted to effectively shut down all analysis on the T issue (specifically, no mention of sex(!) and not mentioning 'T', I mean, wtaf on all that.