Why are the public still not engaged with the gender debate?

[MillyTheKid]

Why do you think people beyond the TRA and feminist bubble are not talking about gender issues? It's regularly been in the papers, on television and is always on social media and yet it seems that the average person in the street is still not engaged with the topic.

Keep the focus on children's safeguarding and go from there - the aggressive male cross dressers who want to creep around women and children's spaces have conflated their sexual entitlement with that of the gay community - so it's an unholy mess

Safeguarding of children sets everyone's spidey senses tingling.

I've told dozens of people about the Guides and mixed sex overnight accommodation (with no informing the parents) and people just won't believe you until you get out your phone and show them the proof.

Then they go pale. Then they rage. Then they say "How do I find out more about this?"

Then they go pale. Then they rage. Then they say "How do I find out more about this?"

Yes, an appropriately outraged response at the removal of basic safeguarding for children - enabled by organisations who can't critically think for themselves. One must wonder what these people get paid for?

Personal attacks on posters speaking out against hostility and prejudice to trans people are just awful to watch unfolding and seem inevitable and relentless.

Can you give some examples? I keep seeing this type of view stated (that there is huge hostility/ abuse/terrible transphobia) on here but I dont seem to actually see it when I’m on the boards. Personal sniping seems to get zapped sharpish.

What I do see a lot is robust disagreement and then the poster claiming that this is hate speech. Disagreeing with someone is not hateful. Not validating someone’s factually incorrect belief is not hateful.

Personal attacks should always be reported to the mod team, who have always taken a dim view of hatred directed towards a specific poster/incitement towards a group.

In general I’d say these boards were pro woman, pro children, rather than anti trans. And again, a pro woman stance is interpreted as hateful, which I find very interesting.

enabled by organisations who can't critically think for themselves. One must wonder what these people get paid for

I subscribe to the Lisa Muggeridge theory of this - top jobs at third sector orgs are filled by left-leaning graduates of the elite liberal academy, which has been taken over by postmodernism.

It's an elite social closure thing - the right-leaning ones go into politics of their side and industry; the left-leaning go into politics of their side and the third sector. So we have a bunch of clueless, pomo-addled posh people heading up all our big charities and voluntary orgs. All so far removed from their service users that they don't even know when they're harming them.

Re the supposed hostility - I too would love concrete examples It's very easy to lay false accusations - the MO of many trolls btw.

The wolf did like to make out he was Grandma in Red Riding Hood who, by questioning, was able to spot the pretender.

I subscribe to the Lisa Muggeridge theory of this - top jobs at third sector orgs are filled by left-leaning graduates of the elite liberal academy, which has been taken over by postmodernism.

Yes, I love Lisa's take on things and I have no doubt she is right - she would know as well in her work. People are hamstrung by so-called professional codes of conduct that protect the vested interests providing the services, not the users of the services. Plus there's the whole budgetary issue. I recall her saying that vulnerable teens aren't referred for residential care when they need it, because it's deemed too expensive - so they are left to fend on their own. It's despicable conduct.

Keep the focus on children's safeguarding and go from there - the aggressive male cross dressers who want to creep around women and children's spaces have conflated their sexual entitlement with that of the gay community - so it's an unholy mess

Agree this is where the focus should be for now. Safeguarding is where organisations are arguably in breach of laws, policies, risk assessment and guidelines and are accountable and can be put under scrutiny.

It’s an arguing technique I see a lot. A statement will be made in a post that twists the tone/content of previous posts into the worst possible scenario, which the person then accuses the thread of.
It immediately puts the other person on the back foot because they then feel like they have to apologise, justify, defend or explain why accusation x is not so...

...When accusation x was never made in the first place/scenario c never happened. Then when you ask for an example of the behaviour that people are saying is incredibly common they are unable to provide it. Despite it apparently being incredibly common.

It’s a widespread technique.

The Illusion

A type of wishful thinking