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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I am S p a r t a c u s

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 13/06/2018 18:53

I am a woman.

I was a girl.

I am an adult human female.

Something a man can never be.

I am a woman.

People refer to me has her and she.

Sometimes said with deep contempt and misogyny.

I am a woman.

Something a male will never be.

I have a vagina and uterus.

I menstruate and have given birth.

I am a mother.

Something a male will never be.

I have been insulted, assaulted, belittled, dismissed, held back, intimidated, stereotyped, terrorised, mocked, shamed, humiliated because I am a woman.

Something a male can never be.

I feel insulted, appropriated, offended, anxious, tense, depressed, hurt and under siege, when a male claims to be a woman or anyone says a male can be female.

It is not civil or respectful to treat me this way.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

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Pratchet · 14/06/2018 13:57

It not incorrect and it is important

RatRolyPoly · 14/06/2018 14:01

Also ignore if you think that invisibility of women isn’t that important

Can't ignore it now then can I!

Paris Lees was on Question Time as a woman on the panel. Therefore taking up a space in an industry that notoriously doesn’t have enough visibility for women.

There are not "spaces" allocated on the panel for men and women; it's not like if they fill their quota they can't have any more. If they wanted a panel full of women, or indeed with none, they could. So Paris Lees being on Question Time in no way means that any other woman has missed out.

Ta ra!

FlimsyButFun · 14/06/2018 14:02

At birth, nothing is "assigned." Sex is observed and gender is inflicted.

An innate sense of identity is what used to be known as a personality.

I do not identify with being a woman, I simply AM a woman by virtue of my reproductive potential: my chromosomes, the gametes I produce, my hormones, my secondary sexual characteristics and the DNA that is coded into every single cell of my body.

I am oppressed by men due to my reproductive potential, my sexed body, my biology.

A young boy cannot become a girl, a grown man cannot become a woman and vice versa. You cannot be born in the wrong body. A deeply held conviction and wholehearted insistence does not make it so.

I, too, am Spartacus.

ItsNotUnusualToBe · 14/06/2018 14:03

Feel feee to ignore if you consider it to be incorrect Rat. That’s the third time now I’ve suggested it Smile

Timesupforidentitypolitics · 14/06/2018 14:03

RatRolyPoly

Yeah there's ALWAYS loads of women on question time.....🤔

ItsNotUnusualToBe · 14/06/2018 14:05

Update. My previous posts have transitioned and now identify as being incorrect. Pleas respect this.

therealposieparker · 14/06/2018 14:07

Rat. There are quotas on QT actually.

RatRolyPoly · 14/06/2018 14:08

Feel feee to ignore if you consider it to be incorrect Rat.

Oh, okay! No reason for me to pop back and point out that it's incorrect then; nothing at all to be gained from correcting misinformation; anyone reading this, Paris stole a place on Question Time from a woman (except she didn't, but you're supposed to ignore it if it's not true).

JSmitty · 14/06/2018 14:08

If we are linking to Life of Brian, we must not forget this.

RatRolyPoly · 14/06/2018 14:09

Yeah there's ALWAYS loads of women on question time.....

There aren't enough!

There are quotas on QT actually.

Are there? Interesting! Do you have more info, I will check it out...

ReluctantCamper · 14/06/2018 14:09

Jeez louise chickenpox100, have you never heard of solidarity?

ToeToToe · 14/06/2018 14:10

3 men & 2 women is pretty standard for QT.

In March, Paris appeared with 1 woman and 3 men.

I'd say Paris took the seat of a woman on the panel.

FlimsyButFun · 14/06/2018 14:13

For homosexuals: Gender Ideology = socially acceptable conversion therapy.

For heterosexuals: Gender Ideology = socially acceptable outward expression of paraphilia.

UrsulaPandress · 14/06/2018 14:16

Aw Chickenpox. You've cheered me right up. Bless your little cotton socks for spectacularly misunderstanding.

YourVagesty · 14/06/2018 14:16

Woman is not a feeling. Woman is not a costume. Woman is not an identity.

Agreed. I was born biologically female, will die biologically female and nothing can change this material fact. Chromosomes are non-negotiable.

ItsNotUnusualToBe · 14/06/2018 14:16

“In a statement, Dimbleby said: "Of the 104 panellists in the present run 46 have been women (44%). Given that we invite guests prominent in public life this is not a bad record. Only 18% of the cabinet is female. Only 23% of MPs are female. Only 20% of FTSE board members are female. Our aim is to achieve a 50/50 balance but British public life has to catch up before we can“

I think my aim was to highlight visibility of women. And that anyone who isn’t biologically and legally a woman will be distorting that. I’m not bothered about specific individuals just the wiser point.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 14/06/2018 14:16

So tired from a non-sleeping person who emerged from my uterus a year or so ago, one who incidentally was not 'assigned' anything at birth as I had a genetic test done which confirmed her chromosomal make up as XX at about 10 weeks of gestation. This test is now available on the NHS. Just a blood test, nothing invasive. Science will make the whole 'assigned' fiction history through genetic testing soon enough.

So I'm just going to say I agree with flimsy's excellent post above.

I do not identify with being a woman, I simply AM a woman by virtue of my reproductive potential: my chromosomes, the gametes I produce, my hormones, my secondary sexual characteristics and the DNA that is coded into every single cell of my body. I am oppressed by men due to my reproductive potential, my sexed body, my biology. A young boy cannot become a girl, a grown man cannot become a woman and vice versa. You cannot be born in the wrong body. A deeply held conviction and wholehearted insistence does not make it so. I, too, am Spartacus

R0wantrees · 14/06/2018 14:17

Re equality of allocation of seats by male/female:

Fairplay for Women comment
'Like A Thief In The Night: The Scottish Bill That Stole The Word Woman'

"Last year while we were all looking the other way and distracted by the UK government’s proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act the word woman was stolen from us. It was sneakily done by the Scottish parliament and hidden behind a smoke screen. That smoke screen was The Gender Representation on Public Boards Bill.

The Bill introduced the ‘gender representation objective’ – a target that women should make up 50% of non-executive board membership.

The purpose of this bill was admirable. It was to help women overcome the institutional sexism we suffer due to our sex. Positive action to redress the imbalances that have arisen from centuries of historical disadvantage. It was to acknowledge the reality that institutionalised inequality and sexist attitudes stop most women from reaching their full potential in public life. Financial barriers, income inequality, the gender pay gap, sexist attitudes, gender stereotyping, women’s disproportionate share of caring responsibilities, the undervaluing of women’s paid work, and media portrayals of women, to name but a few influences, all play a role in the sexism that prevents a fair number of women being involved in public life.

But in a cruel twist of irony it was also to be the perfect trojan horse to steal the very meaning of the words woman and female from us." (continues)

fairplayforwomen.com/scottish_stole_woman/

lunamoth581 · 14/06/2018 14:20

No, I don't think that's an accurate inference. Gender identity is more a sense of one's own identity; in real terms that can be equated to "knowing which set of stereotypes refers to you".

RatRolyPoly, you said this is what “gender identity” is. “Knowing which set of stereotypes refers to you.”

One of the goals of feminism is to completely and totally eradicate those stereotypes. That is one of the goals I am working towards, have been working towards my while life. Fighting against gendered stereotypes.

So where does that leave “gender identity?”
If the stereotypes are eliminated, would that mean that people no longer have a “gender identity?”

SittingAround1 · 14/06/2018 14:20

I am a person in a female body.

Therefore I am a woman.

I'm not into makeup or high heels. You can place me wherever you want on the 'gender spectrum' but I'll always be a woman.

This is GCSE level biology. So not complicated.

Science is not democratic.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 14:23

Still Spartacus

Always Spartacus

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 14:23

And its a real shame that a thread like this is being derailed

ToeToToe · 14/06/2018 14:26

One cannot just "decide which set of gender stereotypes refers to you" and declare oneself a woman.

Woman is not a set of gender stereotypes, it is a biological fact, immutable.

Plenty of women do not subscribe to feminine gender stereotypes - they are still women.

Maryz · 14/06/2018 14:26

Not surprising is it though Rufus?

There are posters on MN who, when I see their names, my heart sinks knowing that the thread will now descend into nonsense, be derailed or in the end deleted.

It's very predictable.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/06/2018 14:31

Very much so maryz

I sometimes wonder why they are being given air

I just employ my personal 'ignore poster' button Grin

Oh but the swearwords in my head....goodness , i shock myself