I am S p a r t a c u s

[PermissionToSpeakSir]

I am a woman.

I was a girl.

I am an adult human female.

Something a man can never be.

I am a woman.

People refer to me has her and she.

Sometimes said with deep contempt and misogyny.

I am a woman.

Something a male will never be.

I have a vagina and uterus.

I menstruate and have given birth.

I am a mother.

Something a male will never be.

I have been insulted, assaulted, belittled, dismissed, held back, intimidated, stereotyped, terrorised, mocked, shamed, humiliated because I am a woman.

Something a male can never be.

I feel insulted, appropriated, offended, anxious, tense, depressed, hurt and under siege, when a male claims to be a woman or anyone says a male can be female.

It is not civil or respectful to treat me this way.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

If you have or had a penis, you're not and never can be a woman.
Hth.

Derail derail derail derail derail...

I am Spartacus but I see lots of Romans heading for this thread...

Plus, totes circular - Rat don't do this to yourself

Yes, reciprocity is indeed a circular concept. Obviously this is not a simplistic concept. I wrote my dissertation on pattern recognition; the world is full of circular realities. Don't let me blow your mind.

Gib do you have a job? You always seem to be here.

Anyway, there is no validation as a woman.

If you have XX chromosomes, and have reached adulthood, you are a woman.

If not, you arent.

No degrees of womanhood, no validation, no way in other then being born female and then entering adulthood.

But you know that, didnt you...

Who wrote the dictionary? I know,an adult human female who works in the O.E.D.

Gib do you have a job? You always seem to be here.

Anyway, there is no validation as a woman.

If you have XX chromosomes, and have reached adulthood, you are a woman.

If not, you arent.

No degrees of womanhood, no validation, no way in other then being born female and then entering adulthood.

But you know that, didnt you...

Or lions maybe?

If I decide I'm black (I was born white, haven't changed colour) am I?
If I decide I'm African? Do I become African?
What about Asian? I fancy being born in japan, can I identify into that?
What if I identify as age 3? Will social services put me in foster care? I can't look after my own 2 kids after all.
Let's go a bit further. Can I identify as toaster and expect people to put bread in me and scream "transtoastphobic" at them if they refuse?
Can I identify as a chair and cry when passerby won't sit on me?

Derail derail derail derail derail...

There was me thinking this was the "I'm a woman because" thread. That certainly seems to be the premise of most of the other posts. Just adding my two cents, you know. Contributing to the debate.

Pregnancy doesn't 'validate' a person's womanhood ffs. There's not valid and invalid women. There's just women. One of the things that our female biology can do - THE thing that defines female reproductive biology and excludes males from our sex category - is produce ova/carry and birth offspring. Individual women may or may not use their body for this, either through choice or circumstance, it makes no difference to what a woman is.

Again, I don't care one whit if males feel sads about it. I won't validate them. And I find it fucking enraging that males are trying to appropriate even the experience of women who suffer infertility. Here are my feelings : Rage. Disgust. Contempt. There's no room left for being nice.

i wrote my dissertation on pattern recognition; the world is full of circular realities. Don't let me blow your mind

Lolololol

From the person who says 'a woman is someone who everyone agrees is a woman'

Pompous AND circular

Definition of woman and man are by reproductive role. Or there's no concept of male or female to be 'agreed on' by society in the first place.

Critical thinking is your friend.

I am a woman.

Being bisexual, it was the cotton ceiling that first alarmed me. I don't know what it is to be a lesbian but I do know that my attraction to women is not attraction to not-men.

I am a mother who doesn't want my children to be taught that boy and girl are determined by the toys you play with or the clothes you wear. I don't want the children I love so much I would die for them to be taught I am hateful because, like almost every human who ever lived, I know boys have penises.

I care about living in a society free of thought crime where words have meaning.

As an adult survivor of my father's emotional abuse and gaslighting of my mother, it makes me feel ill to be told that biological sex doesn't exist and that trans women are female in the same way that I am.

I have stared into my soul and truly believe I am not transphobic, yet I am scared to speak about this

So, in a nutshell.
A bunch of women decide to get together and talk about... our experiences as women. Y'know, abortions (or the denial
Of) contraception (or the denial of) rape, assault, harassment, sex based discrimination,
Pregnancy and related complication.
Bloke wades in and proclaims to be a woman because "I feel like I am".
Keep going ratrolypoly,
If anything you're part of the reason threads like this exist.
You can't silence us and we aren't about to accept you as something that you aren't.

If I was buried next to shon Faye, munroe and wee willy wander. If in 200 years they found our bones headlines would read 'bones of 1 woman and 3 men recovered'

So yeah. Society can believe what it wants. I am Spartacus

Repetitive

Can you imagine that in the original film?

Slave 1: I'm Spartacus!
Slave 2: I'm Spartacus!
Slave 3: I'm Spartacus!
Slave 4: [played by David Mitchell in the style of Mark from Peep Show] I'm Spart...actually Crassus, this is getting a bit repetitive and cringy, could you just assume we are all Spartacus and save us all having to say the exact same thing?[To crowd] Does anyone not want to say they're Spartacus? No one? Great. That saved a bit of time didn't it! Lovely.

Critical thinking is your friend.

I'm quite familiar with it Pratchet. Try engaging your critical thinking when we're chatting some time, okay? Things might descend less frequently into pointless insult-hurling.

Do people not get tired of endlessly repeating themselves?

Nevertheless she persisted.

I will go down with this ship.
I will die on this hill.
I will not bend the knee.
I am Spartacus.

Thay should read

Wee willy wanker

I don't like to speak for other people but I believe that Graham Linehan is Spartacus.

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1007135558819373056

I am Spartacus.

@R0wantrees

Agreed

Lol Rat I did - that's how I know that there is no concept of male or female to reside in the brain or in 'society' unless it is attached to reproductive role.

Once reproductive role is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition to define one's sex - ... then pouf! the concepts of male and female vanish.

I mean, you could start talking about nurturing and nail varnish, instead of reproductive role. What do you think. Want to try?

It is suggesting that pregnancy is something that validates a woman. I understand that many women feel that way and are entitled to do so. But it makes some women feel they are shut out from that validation.

Female here with a vagina, ovaries, a womb, a uterus and zero intention of giving birth, ever. I do not feel invalidated or shut out by other women claiming pregnancy, giving birth and motherhood as a uniquely female experience.

Once reproductive role is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition to define one's sex - ... then pouf! the concepts of male and female vanish.

But the concept of gender does not.

I mean, you could start talking about nurturing and nail varnish, instead of reproductive role. What do you think. Want to try?

That would be gender wouldn't it. Won't I be accused of derailing if I engage with you on this? Shouldn't we discuss it on a thread where it is the subject? I'm happy if you are, but I came here to say my piece on the subject of this thread, not to derail it.

Is that an admission that you do wish to erase sex completely in favour of 'gender'?

Can you let me know, and can you define 'gender', before we move on?