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BFI appoint Munroe Bergdorf as keynote speaker for #womanwithacamera summit

204 replies

SunsetBeetch · 13/06/2018 16:59

This is just getting flipping ridiculous now. Munroe has made one very recent, very shoddy documentary.

Thrilled to be opening the @BFI #WomanWithAMovieCamera Summit to talk about feminism, power and culture.

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Acorninspring · 15/06/2018 08:44

Very confused for a moment there, as I was thinking bfi = baby friendly initiative (UNICEF) .... Maybe that will be the next step?

Degu · 15/06/2018 08:56

@R0wantrees

cf Shon Faye & recent Amnesty International event, Women Making History’

Shouldn’t this be re-titled ‘Making Women History.’

Signed and shared petition!

Agerbilatemycardigan · 15/06/2018 09:17

margentina and boatyardblues

Never let it be said that I'm resting on my laurels Wink

The petition has now increased to try to get 2000 signatures, so if you haven't signed, please do, and leave a comment.

Even if we don't stop him from speaking, at least we'll have given the BFI (Bugger Females to Infinity) food for thought. We see them.

ChattyLion · 15/06/2018 09:20

Berate Females Idealogically Sad

onedayiwillmissthis · 15/06/2018 09:26

Signed petition 😡

Destinysdaughter · 15/06/2018 09:36

Signed too. What a bloody insult both to women and to actual film makers!

starcrossedseahorse · 15/06/2018 09:41

Signed. How shameful of the BFI. How fucking DARE they?

Agerbilatemycardigan · 15/06/2018 10:27

That's exactly it ChattyLion

Viewofhedges · 15/06/2018 11:45

I have signed as has my DH.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 15/06/2018 11:54

This is a comment on the petition. I won't post his name, but he says pretty much what we're all thinking;

*Munroe Bergdorf does not meet any of the criteria that would normally be applied by the BFI in selecting someone for such an event: there are tens, if not hundreds, of women with more experience of and insight into the challenges faced by women in the film industry; he has no apparent skills in any field and has demonstrated no interest in or commitment to the arts; he is relatively inarticulate and lacking in insight; and he has a track record of directing inappropriate, negative, prejudiced comments at whole groups of people.

It seems highly unlikely that NONE of the key decision makers at the BFI would have had doubts about Bergdorf’s credentials; therefore one suspects that they have simply been too confused about the arguments or too afraid to stand up to the pervasive, Orwellian pressure to allow men to self-define as women and to appropriate women’s event and platforms

All people should be treated as individuals and given equal opportunities, and minority groups, including trans-gender, are often oppressed and need a voice. It’s also true that society sets up gender stereotypes which can cause psychological harm to people.

But Bergdorf’s preference for presenting a “feminine” persona to the world does not make him a woman, however convinced he is that he is one and however much surgery he has. He is conceptually confused (as is everyone who is going along with this): this is because there is no “essence of woman” that someone can look inside themselves and identify – all women are potentially mentally different and someone who is not a woman cannot “live as a woman” because there is no common essence or lifestyle choice that defines what a woman is (e.g. a woman can have sex with other women, cut her hair short and dress “like a man” but is still a woman). Being a woman means having 2 X chromosomes and the body that normally goes with that and then that leads to a set of wider life experiences which typically (not always) include menstruation, menopause, childbirth, risk of sexual attack, being talked down to etc. Bergdorf (a man) is effectively claiming to know what ALL women are like inside. The arrogance of this is obvious.

This is EXACTLY like asking a white person to present at an event for “People of colour behind the camera”: however much a white person may admire people of colour or empathise with specific cases, they can’t just decide to BE a person of colour because having dark skin and the social experiences that go with that is a biological distinction. Someone “blacking up” and having surgery would be seen either as offensive or as an indication of severe delusion. This is because everyone knows there is no “essence of coloured person” and that it is racist to assume anything at all about someone’s mind from the colour of their skin. If the BFI ran an event celebrating “People of colour behind the camera” and asked a white person who defined themselves as black to present, there would rightly be outrage. But here we have a PRECISELY equivalent situation in which we are asked to accept that a man who claims to be a woman is one.

Most thinking people (including I suspect, most regular BFI goers) are sympathetic to individual trans people but think that the answer is for society to be more aware of and more accepting of individual differences and more alert to and sceptical of gender stereotypes and the pervasive commercially driven social pressures which lead people to internalise them more as their psychological reality – cosmetics and pharmaceutical companies stand to make £billions if people are sold the idea that there is a misalignment between their body and their gender identity and the myth that they can change sex through medical procedures. They are deeply concerned about the way people like Bergdorf are silencing free speech on the subject in an Orwellian way by attempting to control language through legal means and its obvious that they have some big-money backers. The BFI should stop going along with this totalitarian, reactionary, commercially-drive, creepy nonse. History will judge you (and the rest of us) for such things.

N.B. none of this negates the fact that there are genuine inter-sex people whose genetics/morphology doesn’t fit neatly into male or female categories. These people have a tough time with society trying to normalise them through medical procedures, rather than seeing them as special and different.*

Stilettosandan0venglove · 15/06/2018 12:58

Here's the petition again:

www.ipetitions.com/petition/open-letter-to-the-bfi

busyboysmum · 15/06/2018 13:02

@Agerbilatemycardigan

That comment is amazing. Sums it all up. Why can't people see this? Clearly they are so open minded their brains have fallen out.

NoSquirrels · 15/06/2018 13:03

Signed. I am so sick of the virtue signalling. Trans people can be included in all sorts of things, but they should not speak FOR women.

ChattyLion · 15/06/2018 13:26

That’s a great comment ^ quoted above

Agerbilatemycardigan · 15/06/2018 13:28

busyboysmum I think they're so afraid of not looking woke and of being on the 'wrong' side of history. It's rank cowardice.

History is written by the victors. we women can't afford to let them win this war.

NeverLovedElvis · 15/06/2018 13:33

This is so wrong. I got deleted yesterday for pointing out why it is wrong.
Not only are our spaces being taken away from us, we must also be polite and kind to those who are taking them.

boatyardblues · 15/06/2018 13:34

You what really disgusts me? Watching Lucy Worsley’s documentary about the suffragettes and how appallingly they were treated at the time - sexually assaulted at demos by the police, force fed in a really distressing way - was really sobering viewing. Women’s rights and effort to achieve equal representation in all area of public life have been hard fought for and we are still a long way off getting there. The BFI’s actions absolutely disgust me. It trivialises women’s struggle beyond belief. I am furious and there is no way we should just roll over and take this.

AncientLights · 15/06/2018 13:40

Just adding my bit: yes disgusting & utterly ridiculous to give MB this gig. Remember that photo of the all-male Saudi women's committee last year and how we all laughed?

That times infinity.

Have signed.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 15/06/2018 13:46

I remember laughing like a drain at the scene in The Life of Brian where one of the characters declared that he wanted to change his name to Loretta and become a woman because he wanted to have babies. Well, I'm certainly not laughing now.

Picassospaintbrush · 15/06/2018 13:47

twitter.com/akmd87/status/1007593627491725313

Great photo

Agerbilatemycardigan · 15/06/2018 13:52

This one too.

BFI appoint Munroe Bergdorf as keynote speaker for #womanwithacamera summit
NoSquirrels · 15/06/2018 14:11

Guardian article:

www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/15/bfi-munroe-bergdorf-women?CMP=twt_gu

Apparently they "expressly wanted a voice outside of film-making that could widen the lens".

To talk to women about power and feminism.

This from their website on the summit:

"It’s time to talk about the power dynamics that underpin a lot of the behaviours and realities of being a woman in film, culture and the creative industries and how to safeguard the spaces that can allow for change."

And they asked Munroe Bergdorf to be the KEYNOTE SPEAKER.

I mean - seriously? Seriously?

HerFemaleness · 15/06/2018 14:12

MB should really decline this on the grounds that this is treating MB as a man not a woman. No woman would ever be selected for something like this if their entire filmwork portfolia amounted to a single shitty documentary. The fact that MB is so poorly qualified for this and has been placed over much more experienced biological females shows that MB is still being treated as a man. MB should refuse this and denounce the BFI for its transphobia.

HerFemaleness · 15/06/2018 14:16

"It’s time to talk about the power dynamics that underpin a lot of the behaviours and realities of being a woman in film, culture and the creative industries and how to safeguard the spaces that can allow for change."

That's nice. They've decided to offer a real life demonstration of the realities of being a woman in film. Being sidelined and bypassed, having your experiences and qualifications ignored and dismissed. Not being considered a valid witness for the realities of your own life.

And witnessing much less qualified males given far greater recognition than you for far fewer contributions.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 15/06/2018 14:18

Signed. But I didn't know there was a petition in here so hadn't clicked on the thread before. Chat or AIBU for traffic?