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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Processions walk today

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puppydogmummy · 10/06/2018 12:27

Anyone taking part in the Processions walk today? Have a great day!!!

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SeahorsesAREhorses · 10/06/2018 12:29

I wish I was, can't wait to see footage later.

chequeplease · 10/06/2018 14:57

Watching it on TV wishing I was there!!

2rebecca · 10/06/2018 15:13

I hadn't heard of it until I saw a Man Friday tweet about it 5 minutes ago.

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/06/2018 16:02

Looks great, looking forward to seeing coverage of this.

lightthedarkness · 10/06/2018 16:08

Great coverage of this on the BBC!

powershowerforanhour · 10/06/2018 20:23

I went to the Belfast one with my daughter and sister. It was good fun and I'd love if it was on every year.

Inmyownlittlecorner · 10/06/2018 20:25

We were at the London one & it was lovely!

stargirl1701 · 10/06/2018 20:27

Yes, we were in Edinburgh. Fabulous day with DD1 & DD2. Bedtime books tonight had to be these!

Processions walk today
whiteonred · 10/06/2018 20:36

I boycotted! I live in Cardiff and the publicity said it was for 'women, trans women and non-binary people'.
There is a collective amnesia taking place about the fact that women face discrimination, prejudice and harassment because of their sex, NOT their self-perceived gender.
The walk should have been for everyone who supported women having the right to vote.
But by advertising it as for women it is really stating that the walk is for people who have directly benefited from the votes for women, i.e. people whose sex is female. But by including transwomen or 'non-binary' people- some of whose sex may be male, and so who had the right to vote anyway, before women did, the organisers are conflating the issues of gender and sex. And women are being disadvantaged by this conflation.
I actually feel really angry about it. It was so unnecessary as, like I said, the walk should just have been advertised as for anyone in favour of women being able to vote. But by conflating gender and sex, by making it for women, but including men who identify as women, this event, which should be celebrating sex based legal rights, is part of a cultural shift which is undermining the sex based rights our collective great grandmothers, grandmothers and mothers fought for.

SpareRibFem · 10/06/2018 22:03

whiteonred I boycotted for same reason, I was going to attend but didn't agree with how they had restricted attendence.

I wouldn't have accepted if they had decided to should be restricted to those who wouldn't have been able to vote i.e. women and transmen but would have preferred them to have allowed men supporting the aim of sex equality as long as they were accompanying a woman.

Merchfach · 10/06/2018 22:12

I went to Cardiff. It was great: lots of talk among the women I met about how we really need to get together and mobilise. Lots of second-wavers there, planning. Walked for a while next to two women, not women I know, who had small signs saying Sex Not Gender and gave them the thumbs-up.

All boycotting did was reduce numbers and make us easier to write off and overlook,

powershowerforanhour · 10/06/2018 22:16

I considered doing the same whiteonred, it's annoying that anything for women now has the organisers doing backflips to point out how of course TWAW and must get a special mention.
Still, it was a good day and (almost) all about commemorating and celebrating votes for women. I only saw one transwoman and she was sensibly dressed for the walk like everyone else and got on with carrying her section of her banner and enjoying the day like everyone else. OK the banner was a LGBTQ type banner which included two intertwined male symbols so not strictly a women's rights banner. But bonus points for being in the suffragette colours, having a pile of work put into it by the looks of it, and having the amusing legend "UP THE BRA" on it (OK probably funnier if you are Northern Irish).
There were a few husbands/boyfriends/male friends amongst the procession too. Nobody minded as they weren't being showy-offy or trying to take over.

Giddy99 · 11/06/2018 07:16

It was a fabulous day, All women Trans and Cis marching together, sharing Picnics at Hyde park,

ShotsFired · 11/06/2018 07:30

I boycotted for the same reasons. I emailed them to ask questions about this and they completely ignored me. Gee thanks for supporting women's rights....

Interestingly news reports say that men joined women on the march, when the pre-event publicity was all very clear that men could support but not march (except the male women marchers, obvs Hmm )

ShotsFired · 11/06/2018 07:32

@Giddy99 if you have read even a smattering of posts on this board you know that the overwhelming majority of women here find the term "cis" extremely offensive and have repeatedly asked people not to use it.

So I'd have to question why you have suddenly popped in to offer your opinion using that term? (and why you felt the need to put trans women before actual born ones in your comment, given the point of the march was about women's suffrage)

Giddy99 · 11/06/2018 07:35

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PositivelyPERF · 11/06/2018 07:35

Fuck off with your cis bullshite!

You mean there were WOMEN and men that want to be women, because those men can’t stomach women having something to celebrate that doesn’t centre them.

Lifesavingorange · 11/06/2018 07:36

I boycotted for the same reasons as above - not attending a march organised by people who can’t even define what a woman is and don’t seem to understand the biological basis of women’s historical oppression.

ShotsFired · 11/06/2018 07:43

Oops Giddy, your maleness is showing.

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Cwenthryth · 11/06/2018 07:47

What does UP THE BRA! mean in Northern Ireland then Grin

Giddy ‘trans and cis’ blatantly does not encompass ‘all women’, seeing as many many women reject that term. Please stop forcing your beliefs on others, many women do not accept your labels.

VaggieMight · 11/06/2018 07:49

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LemonJello · 11/06/2018 07:50

which labels Trans Gender women as perverts child abusers

I have never seen anyone on mumsnet call transwomen perverts or child abusers, unless said transwoman had actually been convicted of this.
Mumsnet delete posts that are transphobic so no need to worry Smile

catherinedevalois · 11/06/2018 07:53

It was a marvellous afternoon. We were a straggly bunch though and I'm surprised the 'art' looked as good as it did. I only lasted until Trafalgar Square. It was extremely hot and after two hours I was flagging.

PositivelyPERF · 11/06/2018 07:54

I find your response rather childish I think people believing that gender feels trumps real sex rather childish. Grin

yes I am a feminist and was probably one long before you were even born, and Trans women are women I call bullshite. Funny how women can always spot a TRA, yet a TRA can’t spot a REAL feminist.

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