I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

Public displays of obedience respect and submission empathy by females everyone is essential to promoting transgender beliefs a tolerant society .

Just some small amends and I am more than happy with that statement.

Empathy?

Do you mean shut up and be nice?

a legal definition of sex based on biology is now impossible

I have to confess, I fear this element is actually slowly becoming true.
We're not quite at that point yet, but we're heading down a path where one's actual biological sex stands a very real chance of being superceded (in Law) by one's chosen/assumed sex.

It always boils down to 'shut up and be nice'.

Every. Single. Time.

Not. Shutting. Up.

What this thread has proved is that within 20 years all reproductive barriers will be broken.

What's barriers? You naughty little womb envier, you.

There are no barriers to reproduction. That's the meaning of the word binary. It's not about individual people, it's about the fact you need one of each sex in order to reproduce.

It's a fairly tried and trusted method, to be honest.

I think sharing the loo is the thin edge of the wedge.

This: If a trans woman had surgery so she was able to bear offspring that does blur the lines somewhat.
Speaks to the crux of the matter.
The basis of women's oppression is the envy of the male for any power or ability women, or even animals, hold that the male human does not. I do not know if it is nature or nurture but it is the seething rage beneath every male dominance display.

What this thread has proved is that within 20 years all reproductive barriers will be broken. Since we are establishing law for the future, the science means that a legal definition of sex based on biology is now impossible

Utter shite. Go and have a word with yourself.

daimbars Mon 11-Jun-18 19:26:09

Public displays of obedience respect and submission empathy by females everyone is essential to promoting transgender beliefs a tolerant society .

Just some small amends and I am more than happy with that statement.

"When they see their dirty face in the mirror they wash the mirror."

I agree with that the B

Anyone remember that poster who was promoting prostitution?

"Okay, what if there was no such thing as sexually transmitted disease, the prostitutes were highly respected members of society, had elevated status, and thoroughly enjoyed what they were doing?"

Would it be ok then????

Melanippe
R u Scottish or Irish?

Never shutting up Daim. I don't care about your male supremacist faith based beliefs. You're welcome to them. But they will never be mine.

Not much respect or empathy for other women, have you?

Wow - not even bothering with a mask any more

Oops! Scottish, and poor at hiding it!

No need to hide it! Great turn of phrase you have.

As a separate issue if anyone behaves inappropriately their behaviour is not tolerated. This has been happening for years and years with no issue and I'm still confused why there's a big fuss all of all sudden.

This is an oft repeated lie.
Women have been making a fuss over males in the sex segregated females designated spaces for years and years. The pretense by transgender advocates that there has never been a problem is false.
Men have disregard and erased women's experiences so they can tell the zombie lie that "this never happens".

It works both ways, it applies to TRAs too. If there was a bit more respect and empathy then there would be no problem.

It is so weird when people pretend they do not know why voyeurism laws were passed or what happened in society that made it possible for women to go out to work.

It's a fairly tried and trusted method, to be honest.

Storkphobe.

It seems that biologically women aren't that special and a womb, ovum etc. can be created within the confines of existing medical knowledge. I am not aware, however, of any comparable success in creating sperm

Oh my actual god

You can't use your own fears and prejudices as 'proof' something is likely to happen.

Simple answer is: WE ARE NOT. Men don't have signs on their forehead announcing that they're predators.

We use that facts of statistics of male violence against women as proof of the need for sex based protections and spaces as well as the evidence that trans id biological MALES retain their male pattern criminality. Source: gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/statistics-show-the-difference-in-rates-of-violent-crimes-against-women-committed-by-transwomen-versus-non-transgender-males/

We also know through FOA requests that men in UK prisons who consider themselves 'women' are sex offenders, rapists, murderers of women who ALL want to be rehoused in female prisons. Source:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

Other cases of importance:
Christopher (Jessica Hambrook)assaulted women in a WOMEN's shelter
torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender/wcm/fc2c70f0-b1a1-41e2-85db-bec9d0012ce5

Another case of a trans id MALE sexually assaulting women in women's shelter IN THE SHOWER
abc30.com/3514544/

And here's a recent case of what happens when you DON'T have sex based spaces. www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44362152

So yeah, it's not projection on the part of concerned women and girls. It's a real fear that has REAL consequences. The idea that women are just being uppity fearmongers is MISOGYNY.

I screenshotted that one for posterity rufus

If there was a bit more respect and empathy then there would be no problem.

If there was a LOT more respect and lot more empathy towards women, there would be less of a problem.

I'm male. It's patently obvious that how men treat women always has been, and continues to be a huge issue. And now, men who claim to want to embrace transgenderism are still pushing a very male orientated viewpoint and poopooing women's objections or concerns as 'anti'.

The evidence presented on this threads has been scientific, explaining why a man cannot become a woman or vice versa. Nobody has said they object to transgender people. The thread was about someone teaching children about biological facts, and feeling that the current climate for inclusiveness could easily impinge on them teaching actual facts about sex differences. The law dictates that transgender people be treated as though they were the actual gender they've adopted, but that is not the same as them actually BEING that gender.

How does a scientist treat a transgender male who has elected to become female? Socially and legally, they are to be considered as female. Biologically, they remain male. Is the scientist/teacher wrong for pointing out this fact? I believe they have a duty to point it out. A fact's a fact.

It is so weird when people pretend they do not know why voyeurism laws were passed or what happened in society that made it possible for women to go out to work.

Isn't it. And why they think we should suddenly be ok with voyeurism and being flashed at now.

There are a few posters recently (that ive noticed, happy to know that they have been here for years) that have an unusual take on some of these issues

There is one off the top of my head that I virtually agree with...until i don't

There is one whose heart I believe is in the right place but i struggle with their 'facts'

We have also had outright liars and goady fuckers

Annnnnnd gibberty is here as well....which is errmmm .....'nice'

It was a doozy assigned