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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender Trend crowdfunder to be reinstated

119 replies

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/06/2018 13:13

According to Andrew Gilligan:

Crowdfunder has told me that Transgender Trend's resource pack "does not break our terms and conditions" and its fundraiser will be reinstated. Big victory against trans lobby bullies.

Transgender Trend crowdfunder to be reinstated
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MyAuntyBadger · 07/06/2018 13:56

Do you have children Fox? I would hate for any child to be unnecessarily dependent on drugs for life. Surely a 'wait and see' policy is preferable?

Cwenthryth · 07/06/2018 13:58

it actively encourages schools to take steps that risk them falling foul of their legal duties and duty of care to pupils

That’s a very bold claim, Fox, and having read it I can’t see anywhere where this guidance does this. Can you please clarify specifically which parts of this guidance encourage not upholding legal duties or duty of care?

InfiniteSheldon · 07/06/2018 13:59

Fabulous news

MyAuntyBadger · 07/06/2018 14:03

Also Fox, what are the lies? And what is the 'incorrect information'?

Pythagonal · 07/06/2018 14:03

Just seen this confirmed by Transgender Trend on Twitter. Fantastic news!

FishFingerPie · 07/06/2018 14:08

Thanks for the link. Hopefully all the publicity will raise even more money for them.

Cascade220 · 07/06/2018 14:08

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Melamin · 07/06/2018 14:10

Good news. Took them a while. Smile

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 07/06/2018 14:19

Right decision. There is no hate at all in it, I have read it closely, and also read transactivists 'debunking' of things in it which do not debunk anything.

Can't see them being happy with this, given how thrilled they were about the review (and many claimed the review was actually it getting pulled)

I still fail to see how TTs watchful waiting approach is 'transphobic' given its the same approach the Tavistock take.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 07/06/2018 14:22

I've read it, and it essentially says 'Be nice to children, don't rush them, and respect all those in your care. Remember that not all gender-questioning children are trans.'

Yup, from memory it also lets schools know that they are NOT breaking the law by having sex segregated areas. Transactivists lied to schools, and businesses, and continue to do so. But when schools/businesses are informed they have been lied to and manipulated...its 'hate'. Its bizarre really.

OldmanOfTheWeb3 · 07/06/2018 14:28

I'm really impressed and surprised by this. So many organizations will just reflexively pull back from anything that has a whiff of bad PR associated with it, justified or not. Crowdfunder UK seem to have actually looked into the issue, made an informed decision and stuck by it. I can't say how much respect I have for them right now.

Italiangreyhound · 07/06/2018 14:29

Fox I am willing to be corrected if wrong about anything.

I feel there are real dangers with pushing kids down a certain route or encouraging them, when this may not be right for them. If children really are trans then they will remain so. You can support children without agreeing with everything they say.

Some treatments are available to children under 18 that are not legal in other places and so for some kids 'coming out as trans' might actually push them in the line of interventions that are not right for them.

And just be voicing concerns about a female puberty does not necessarily mean a person is trans.

Urging caution is not wrong. For some children this will mean they have time to wait and think, but others might be rushed down to a place where they feel there is no turning back.

In such places it is possible for children to go ahead with areas of transitioning without being fully sure of what is really right for them.

In other words, rushing ahead, to do so and actively to encourage young teens and children, who often present as confused (not fixed about their own ideas of their gender) seems very dangerous to me.

I speak as someone who knows girls who are questioning their gender (and their sexuality, and yes, I know they are different). They are not all certain and sure, persistent and consistent and whatever else is required of them.

Lily Maynard's daughter did not persist in her ideas of being trans, so if her mum had actively encouraged her to make any kind of transition, wear a binder that could have endangered her health etc, then that could have been harmful to her daughter.

Please do no assume those of us who are gender critical are unfeeling, quite the opposite.

Childhood should be a time for all children to be free to wear what they like, have fun, and just be themselves. Puberty is starting earlier and earlier for kids for all kinds of reasons. Childhood should not be the time for making life long decisions.

If people are worried about their children who present themselves as trans or questioning, then love, acceptance, care, concern etc are vital, but rushing ahead to celebrate something that may actually not be true at all, is wrong.

I think the information from Transgender Trend will help some parents. The attempt to stop fundraising for it was potentially cutting out choices for some parents, and most significantly for some children. I am pleased the crowd funder is back on.

HotRocker · 07/06/2018 14:30

Excellent news! I’m going on there to donate right now.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/06/2018 14:30

I'm really impressed and surprised by this. So many organizations will just reflexively pull back from anything that has a whiff of bad PR associated with it, justified or not. Crowdfunder UK seem to have actually looked into the issue, made an informed decision and stuck by it. I can't say how much respect I have for them right now

This^ Hopefully others will follow.

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OvaHere · 07/06/2018 14:31

Great news

DodoPatrol · 07/06/2018 14:35

Lily Maynard's child openly agrees that she is not transgender, and is relieved that her mother did not allow her to transition. Do you disbelieve her, Fox? Do you think that she should have been encouraged by her parents to transition, given that she now knows that she is not trans?

LangCleg · 07/06/2018 14:35

it actively encourages schools to take steps that risk them falling foul of their legal duties and duty of care to pupils

On the contrary - the TT pack abides by multi-agency safeguarding legal duties and SENDCOP legal guidance, while the Allsorts and Mermaids guidance specifically ignore them. For example, with regard to confidential disclosure.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/398815/SEND_Code_of_Practice_January_2015.pdf

consult.education.gov.uk/child-protection-safeguarding-and-family-law/working-together-to-safeguard-children-revisions-t/supporting_documents/Working%20Together%20to%20Safeguard%20Children.pdf

Only one set of guidance isn't dangerous here - and it's not the Trangender Trend pack.

DodoPatrol · 07/06/2018 14:37

Crossed posts with Italian there.

busyboysmum · 07/06/2018 14:46

@Buzzlightyearsbumchin
Thank goodness, they have been a huge support to me. Without them, and the feminists on here, I may not have held so firm and my child may well be on blockers now instead of returning to identifying as their biological sex

That is so amazing - makes the whole thing worth while to me. Sending love to you and your child.

SuitedandBooted · 07/06/2018 14:50

Excellent news.

OrchidInTheSun · 07/06/2018 14:55

www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transgender-Trend-Resource-Pack-for-Schools.pdf

Here's the resource pack so you can read it for yourselves and the kind and sensible approach it recommends. Just had a quick flick through and Zucker is mentioned once, for his approach to 'watchful waiting' (also endorsed by the NHS) and Maynard and Deviant Art aren't quoted at all.

There's a surprise Hmm

dragongirlx · 07/06/2018 14:57

this is great news - just gone and donated

spontaneousgiventime · 07/06/2018 15:07

Well, I'm so please sense prevailed I've donated just now. Big cheers to Crowdfunder for seeing past the hate.

ToeToToe · 07/06/2018 15:08

Yay! Great news. The truth will set you free - Transgender Trend is not transphobic. Smile

FesteringCarbuncle · 07/06/2018 15:15

Facts and reason are scary to science deniers
New speak isn't it. When your whole ideology falls down with rational discussion the only course of action is #nodebate