Alert the TRAs! Transphobia against transwomen!

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The tweet:
Straight men: would you date a trans person (m to f) if they’re hotter than regular women

The responses are a bunch of straight 'cis' men displaying obvious transphobia. I wonder if the TRAs will tell them to DIAF, or threat to rape them? Given lesbians are ordered to 'love the ladystick', or suffer the consequences, I am very curious to see what consequences befall straight men.

Answers on a postcard.

Yet more evidence that #cottonceiling exists solely to facilitate male sexual entitlement to women's bodies.

A better question would be to ask TW who fancy women if they would sleep with a TW.

It is a good question. The TW-TW partnerships I have seen over the years have generally been transsexuals that 'transition' and get together, calling themselves 'lesbians', rather than just embracing a homosexual relationship (as men). Internalised homophobia much?

To a degree 'Caitlyn' Jenner falls into this group as well, even though previously (seen as) heterosexual, and a definite AGP. One wonders if the homosexual urges were underlying, or whether he was always bisexual (or pansexual as the kool kids call it these days). Possibly worse though, he is a Republican and chummy with Trump. Should someone be tagging in @realDonaldTrump to see if he fancies 'Caitlyn'? Should the TRAs send him death threats after he replies "hell no"?

TRAs always harp on at feminists saying "you're views are bigoted and dated, in the real world everyone believes TWAW."
Well...
In the real world (well OK a random twitter poll) about 89% of men know TW are men.

I mean NO ONE not even TIMs themselves actually believe TWAW. It's ridiculous.

nauticant: "Which is why I feel sorry for the homosexual young people who are encouraged to transition in the expectation that they will find themselves happy in their modified body and then able to get the partner of their dreams. What they'll be doing is removing a very large part of their potential dating pool."

Yes. It's really terrifying. And how can you possibly know at 15 or 16 that this is what it's going to be like? You're showered with people telling you how wonderful and brave you are for coming out as trans and you feel you must be pretty damn special. And then 10 years on, what are you left with?

Also yet more evidence that a woman's "no" is seen as negotiable and a man's isn't.

I mean NO ONE not even TIMs themselves actually believe TWAW. It's ridiculous.

True but I do think that TRAs know that TWA(not)W and they know that the rest of us know that TWA(not)W, but that's not the game. The game is to make us say TWAW while not believing it. It's taking pleasure in the coercion. It's a power thing.

Re changing sexual attraction. There is a thought that some hetero AGP males are attracted to women pre transition, however post transition, their attraction doesn't change exactly - they view being penetrated as the "ultimate femininity". So they change to having sex with men to fulfill that fantasy - the men are just part of the validation, not a real attraction.

Of course there are also those who are bisexual or who become "lesbian" (yes, they are airquotes - I'm not agreeing at all)

If the TiMs are all so convinced that trans women are women, why don’t they date each other and leave everyone else the fuck alone.

Ah I know the answer to that one too - apparently it's "triggering"

Still waiting fro the TRA pile-on.... I think it will be along time coming.

Glad to see so many pointing out that any man dating a Transwoman is not straight. The relationship is fine, and entirely their business, but they can't force others to accept their delusion.

Reality is still out there.

I think that the result of this twitter thread is that the woman who posted the original tweet on twitter will get banned. And NOTHING will happen to the het males who proudly displayed their "#literalviolence"

And the record of men when it comes to honesty about sex is how big?

I am a lot less active in LGBTI groups than I once was but at one time I knew a lot of trans people. Almost all hard partners.

I had a friend a couple of friends in the States. Very attractive young women. They would read surveys like this and giggle because they knew from experience that most men were very keen to get them into bed. And if men realise that there is zero chance of an "accidental" child, they can become very enthusiastic.

One of the scare tactics transphobes use is "if you transition, nobody will ever be attracted to you". It's complete rubbish.

Very interested to see that the men on Twitter are allowed to tell the truth with impunity, when women are attacked and banned for doing the same.

"Almost all hard partners" (I assume that should be had?)

I'm of the belief that more people are bisexual. Not everyone of course, but more than the 0.4% that the ONS quotes.

Its interesting isn't it Yessica just as those with 'far right views' seem to be rarely less targetted, whilst people who are GC and are or have been members of Labour / Green seem to be the focus of smears and sanctions etc?

cf recent article by Lowenna Waters : 'How the far right is attacking the lives of the transgender community - and what we can do to stop it'

www.indy100.com/article/how-the-far-right-is-attacking-the-lives-of-the-transgender-community-and-what-we-can-do-to-stop-it-8369021

(extracts)
"For a long time now, the transgender community have faced an unrelenting barrage of attacks, vilification and unacceptance in the UK.

From the long-lasting legacy of the homophobic Section 28 in 1983 by Margaret Thatcher that made the discussion of LGBT+ issues illegal in UK schools, to the use of derogatory language such as 'tranny' rife in the right wing press, being transgender in the UK has meant constantly fighting against a tide of abuse.... continues

"Another key force fighting the right wing attacks on the transgender community is the tireless work of activists themselves, who fight day in and day out to challenge the status quo.

Activists and transgender people such as Jake Graf, Monroe Bergdorf, Hannah Winterborne, Lily Madigan, and Shon Fey all use their platforms to chip away at the negative propaganda.

Despite being subject to a barrage of abuse on social media platforms like Twitter, and some even reporting the receipt of death threats, their high-profile presence ploughs the furrow for younger gender non-conforming people, and gives them role models."

Venice Allen, Miranda Yardley, Jennifer James, Anne Ruzylo, Linda Bellos, Lisa Muggeridge, Olivia Palmer, Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull ....

Gibberty, I think the point of the OP, and subsequent posters, and indeed the incredulous posts from women on the tweet thread isn't anything to do with male sexual veracity.

It's simply that men on Twitter are permitted to say freely, without threat of violence, that transwomen aren't women (even if they would enthusiastically have sex with them, as you attest.)

This constant insinuation that men must be lying when they say they're not sexually attracted to other men is surely another form of gaslighting?

Yes, some men will be attracted to transwomen and be fine when they find out they're not really women. As a few men find that they are bisexual and indeed attracted to men, too. And other men will be repulsed because they only want to have sex with actual women and feel duped by the transwomen pretending to be women. While another group (as can be seen in that thread) are simply not attracted to that OTT feminine performance some TW seem to think is appropriate.

When a man says I'm straight, thank you very much, I only date real women, why is that not enough? Or a woman says I'm a lesbian, thank you very much, I only date real women, why is that not enough? This is like turning the clock back 50 years and I hate it.

gibberty - that is such a sad story. I can see that your friends probably felt validated when men wanted to shag them on a night out, but I bet they were not being taken home to meet the folks were they?

Remember that sex is not always about sexual attraction, it is about power games / toxic masculinity too. (Anyone heard of Snog a Trog nights at Uni? Makes me sick).

I'm of the belief that more people are bisexual. Not everyone of course, but more than the 0.4% that the ONS quotes.

I suspect the figure is higher. I know of many female friends who appear to be heterosexual, married to men and who have had a sexual relationship at some point with a woman.

I am heterosexual and have had zero interest sexually in women in all my long years, so not everyone is bisexual.

I suspect most of the men chanting on Twitter that Transwomen are women, are bisexual men who struggle to admit it.

GibbertyFlibbert most men are very keen to get them into bed.
There certainly is a sizeable number of men who are attracted to TIMs, no one's denying that, and it is possible that some of the men on that thread may have been lying or in denial.
That's not really the issue though. The point is that men are free to state their opinions in a way that women aren't. But then we already know that, but it's nice to have it out in the open, on one twitter thread that everyone can read.

A lot of men, driven by porn, seem to want to penetrate someone else's anus with their penis now, as women don't have a prostate, not every woman will want to accommodate this act.

Lots of men want to shag transwomen but the men who do shag TW don't actually think they're shagging a woman.

"Yes, some men will be attracted to transwomen and be fine when they find out they're not really women."

That's the equivalent to saying that a gay couple are really married because they can't have children. It's prejudiced and simply wrong. Just as your claim about trans women.

Personally I think that many people are attracted to the person, not the sex or gender.

I have no idea what label that pins on them. But it doesn't really matter, because who people choose to have relationships and/or sex with is their own business (providing it's consensual).

Just as an aside, I think a lot of men are in denial about their sexuality. I actually agree with gibberty - that's a first! But I do think that some men will happily have sex with another man if they don't think there will be consequences. Boy George goes into lurid detail in his autobiography about how it was a game for him and his mates to get "straight" men to sleep with them, and that they didn't usually have to try too hard. I've known gay men myself who do similar. Men lie about sex.