Examples of transgender males in male roles

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Are there any examples of females that have transitioned into males holding male posts, accessing male spaces or entering male sports contexts etc as men?

I'm struggling to find examples.

Is this happening on the same scale the other way around?

Caitlyn Jenner is a bit of a red herring tbh - look at the rest of the family, they’re clear proof she would dress that way if she were born female.

There are a small number of trans women at work who all dress broadly similarly to the women they work with - eg one who is younger has long dyed hair but typically teamed with jeans or dresses with opaque tights and converse; one who is older and more senior has short hair and wears more conventional skirt/dress office wear.

Not to say there isn’t something decidedly odd about some high profile people, but it’s not helpful to over generalise.

Alex Garnick is an attorney at Shook, Hardy & Bacon LLP where he focuses on the defense of multinational pharmaceutical and medical device companies in multidistrict complex products liability litigation and runs a practice within the firm’s pro bono program to provide name and gender marker changes for low-income transgender clients. Garnick is a graduate of Bates College in Lewiston, Maine and the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law in Baltimore, Maryland. At Maryland Law, he won the William P. Cunningham Award and the Jackson Lewis LLP Labor & Employment Award.

Kye Allums is a former college basketball player at for the George Washington Colonials women’s basketball team of George Washington University (GWU) and a transgender pioneer. He is now a transgender advocate, public speaker, artist, and mentor to LGBTQ youth. In 2010, Allums, a trans man, became the first openly transgender NCAA Division I college athlete.

Dr. Kortney Ryan Ziegler is an American award-winning filmmaker, visual artist, blogger, writer, and scholar based in Oakland, California. His artistic and academic work focuses on queer/trans issues, body image, racialized sexualities, gender, performance and black queer theory. Ziegler was also the first person to receive the PhD of African-American studies from Northwestern University in 2011.

Dr. Van Bailey is a student affairs educator, international speaker and diversity consultant. His speeches and workshops relate to LGBTQ+ student leadership, pedagogical practice, and intersectionality. His published work has been featured on NPR, the Boston Globe, the Huffington Post, the Feminist Wire, and BuzzFeed. Dr. Bailey was awarded an Ed.D. in Educational Leadership from California State University-Northridge.

Reverend Dr. Cameron Partridge is an Episcopal priest and theologian currently serving the Episcopal Chaplaincy at Boston University and Episcopal/Anglican students at Harvard Divinity School. In both contexts, he works with students of all traditions and genders. He now has the distinction of being one of the first trans chaplains at a major university, in addition to being one of just seven openly trans clergy in the Episcopal Church.

Rhys Ernst is a filmmaker and artist. He is a producer on Amazon’s Transparent and created the title sequence for the series. Ernst was nominated for a 2015 Emmy Award for directing and producing the webseries “Transparent: This Is Me,” which won a Special Recognition GLAAD Award. In 2016 he teamed up with Focus Features to create the online series “We’ve Been Around,” a collection of short films on transgender pioneers. In addition to the 2014 Whitney Biennial, Ernst has shown work at Sundance, Oberhausen, and The Hammer Museum; he has won awards at Outfest, Chicago International Film Festival and the LA Transgender Film Festival; he was a Point Scholar, a Project Involve Fellow, and was awarded with the 2015 Point Foundation Horizon Award for his work on transgender representation in the media.

Zander Keig, LCSW, serves the Naval Medical Center San Diego as Clinical Case Manager for Residential Substance Abuse Rehabilitation Program and Transgender Care Team. Keig is currently serving his second three year appointed term on the National Association of Social Workers National Committee for LGBT Issues. He holds a B.A. in Speech, M.S. in conflict analysis and resolution, M.T.S. in theology, M.S.W. in clinical social work and was recognized as a “Distinguished Alumnus” in 2016 by his alma mater Metropolitan State University of Denver.

So where are all these examples insulting anyone that disagrees with them and trying to campaign to be allowed in men only spaces, calling anyone a transphobic who disagrees with them?

Or perhaps they are able to have a rational and informed debate, because they haven't been conditioned and socialised into silencing women who have a voice...? I don't watch the television really so I won't have seen any programmes...but I'm assuming as they've been given as examples that they are part of the transgender campaign?

I can only go anecdotally of course but it does seem that the f2m voice is quieter somehow, less aggressive..?

Regarding the original question, there’s very little that’s explicitly reserved for men. Male privilege is the result of being male, being socialised as male, being seen as male. You can’t identify into that. So-called female privilege is often what’s handed to us (places on courses, shortlists etc). You can, apparently, identify into that.

www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/movies/transgender-director-oscar-strong-island-documentary.html

First trans director to receive an Oscar nomination - this was very recent. I'm enjoying looking for these actually :)

Mack Beggs is competing against girls, not men, which isn't what the OP was asking about I think.

@WAKAME why not just put a link to wherever you're copying and pasting these blogs from? It looks like you're trying to interfere with a reasonable discussion by spamming, which I'm sure was not your intention.

Laith Ashley is a model
m.youtube.com/watch?v=CnPOL_vzzYg

No, over generalising is never helpful, but isnt it the high profile people we are tending to discuss though? Those who are shouting the loudest and therefore 'representing' the rest of the trans community.

If they are not a true representation of this, shouldn't the trans community be distancing themselves from them?

*biogs not "blogs"

"it does seem that the f2m voice is quieter somehow, less aggressive..?"

How many attacks on trans men do you see on TERF forums? TERFs are famous for ignoring trans men - they almost exclusively attack trans women. When those women defend themselves, it is of course held up as proof of their masculinity (TERF logic of course allows for them to be simultaneously attacked for perpetuating feminine stereotypes and for being feminine men).

I won't be engaging with anyone who uses the term TERF but thanks for the info Wake

I guess Chaz Bono is pretty well known, though I'm not sure if he would have been if he hadn't been one of Cher's children. He's not alone there, to be fair, there's plenty of celebrity offspring around who probably wouldn't be well known otherwise.

So where are all these examples insulting anyone that disagrees with them and trying to campaign to be allowed in men only spaces, calling anyone a transphobic who disagrees with them?

The thing with transmen I believe is that they pass almost entirely most of the time, purely because of the extremely potent effect of testosterone on the human body. It is those same potent effects that mean transwomen may struggle to pass in virtue of it's lasting effects.

So basically transmen don't get much stick on the basis of their appearance; they mostly go around using "male" spaces unnoticed from what I can gather, and have done for donkeys years.

I got that from that same programme I think; I wish I could remember what it was. I think it was in Canada rather than the US though.

I think the transman voice perhaps seems less aggressive in virtue of the fact they can simply have what transpeople are asking for without any sort of confrontation a lot of the time.

Mack Beggs is competing against girls, not men, which isn't what the OP was asking about I think

He's famous for sport though; he doesn't want to compete against the girls, he's been asking not to for ages! So he is a good, loud voice pushing the trans agenda of being allowed into the competition of his chosen gender; which is what she asked for, I thought?

I guess the question is also perhaps..is there any evidence from the data that a transman is treated as a man by other men? So are transmen more likely than women to hold high positions. Are transmen less likely than women to be raped. What is the gender
/sex pay gap like? If s no good just saying that a transman has a position of power if they were just as likely to be in that position as a woman. We need to know if their class is more similar in treatment to the class male or the class female.

And if the answer is it's better, why don't we all non-surgically and non-hormonally transition then?

No, she was asking for examples competing in male sports.

It seems obvious to me why men don't have a massive issue with transmen in their spaces and taking posts, whereas (some) women do have issues with trans women.

"why not just put a link to wherever you're copying and pasting these blogs from? It looks like you're trying to interfere with a reasonable discussion by spamming, which I'm sure was not your intention."

Not my intention at all. The post are stretched across 11 pages so I thought it would be useful to pull out the relevant entries and post them.

If you prefer a link to the website itself, here it is:

www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/01/top-50-successful-transgender-americans-know/

Yes Rat, that's a great point.

Assasinated, I agree, I'm sure if those born female were more likely to be violent sex offenders men might have a massive problem with it too...

I'm asking to any examples, really, where the f2m is pushing the same agenda as the m2f, on the same way...