Posie

[BabyItsAWildWorld]

Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

Has anyone else been refunded the Cornwall meeting ticket? I have just had an email.

As in you have cancelled it, Picasso, or wpuk have?

I didn't cancel it

They are total arses.
No platforming a woman who is fighting the cause. Reminds me of this
www.heather-brunskell-evans.co.uk/thoughts/public-statement-to-the-womens-equality-party/

I am surprised at transmen getting pregnant as I would have thought it would be triggering. But my only concern would be if they have taken medication and what effect that would have on the fetus. For obvious reasons that has not been examined. I assume they will discuss (in an age appropriate way) "I was born a female which meant I had a womb etc and could carry you. I wasn't happy like that and now live as a man." Pretending they were male bodied at all times is not good though.

I don't particularly like Posie's tweets. That's fine, I'm sure she doesn't like mine. She does talk sense in a lot of them. Not all.

I think WPUK have dealt with this badly and should have contacted her. They have been unwise as their response has made this the story. I suspect they did to keep the brand clean against any accusations and to avoid putting off potential allies. Badly done though.

BUT they have not prevented free speech. They have not stopped Posie talking, just withdrawn the invitation to talk in their space. No platforming involves actually preventing someone from speaking when they have been invited by others. It's not the same thing.

People are free to say what they like. But they cannot force others to listen. I think sometimes both sides need to remember that.

@OnThisHill
"uppity" was a term racist southerners used for black people who didn't know their place.

lifehacker.com/these-words-and-phrases-have-racist-origins-1823042643

I am astonished women did not know that women were using uppity the same way some here use terf. As a reclamation of insult.

Tbf, I didn't know it was racist either. I just thought it was a quirky word for snobby or up themselves

I'm another one who didn't know it was racist in American context, and had known it almost exclusively used as thebewilderness describes. Eg "Us uppity women having the nerve to say "No" to [some man]" being about sexism but also almost always about working class women not doing as told by middle or upper class men.

So, it's an American English thing then? It's something I very rarely use, and if I did, was to my then teenage daughter.
This is going to be my fact of the day tomorrow!

I read the article you linked to, thanks,
*@Uyulala.

Lots on there we/ I knew about and would never use. Not sure I'll go with *bugger as racist... We know where that comes from in UK use.

Bulgarian sodomite is a very interesting take on it though and very specific. Luckily
I rarely come accross those...

It's a shame WPUK lived up to its name by putting a woman in her place publicly - not a good look or feel- unless that's what they want brand to be known for.

Their actions also remind me of environments where the grooming gangs went unchallenged for so long - because uncomfortable truths are hard to hear and challenge the status quo, accepted norms and power bases sometimes.

It's curious how groups and companies of women become God's Police by keeping other women in line with the law according to men.

The turned into a bit of a misogynist Gish Gallop, eh?

Ironic or enabled?

I agree, PermissiontoSpeak.

Some may find posie's tweets/opinion reprehensible, but does anyone want to not allow her to express her free opinions? Do we really want to go down that road?

Are we that far down the rabbit hole now, that posie's tweets deem her not suitable to speak at WPUK. She was presumably going to speak on what she has spoken about before - being interviewed under caution by WY Police - because of her tweets about Susie Green - very relevant.

We must be allowed to speak our minds - without speaking our minds, we can never reach an agreement on anything. We can never disagree with certain doctrines. Without speaking our minds, we will end up with a series of mantras - eg. "transwomen are women" - determining policy.

We must be allowed to speak our minds - without speaking our minds, we can never reach an agreement on anything.

Exactly.

Reaching understanding and a developing solid position is an iterative process of blurting instincts out, having them challenged or affirmed by evidence, then undergoing a process of analyis and structuring until that system becomes confining, then instincts are blurted out to begin the next iteration.

I don't see what value is added by wagging a finger, other hand on hip, saying "I am so right on I would never even feel or think that, let alone express it, I must be a better person than you. End of."

Ppl don't seem to get it.
The main accusations us gender critical ppl get is that we are bigoted. What does Posie then go and do? Tweet like a bigot. Talk about giving TRAs ammunition.

Yeah I am so right on that I don’t make remarks on a public forum that can be construed as islamophobic/racist. I don’t think that is unusual. Why do you think that PP should have carte blanche to say what she likes? Of course WPUK are reasonable to uninvite her.

If a politician or any kind of public figure came out with these tweets I would expect their head to be on a block. I am not in the public eye at all but I would expect a disciplinary for the anti-Muslim comments alone.

This isn’t sensible intellectual debate on some of the less savoury aspects of Islam or transgender ideology. Poise is neither sensible nor an intellectual. She says similar, albeit a bit milder, things about Muslims to Katie Hopkins and KH has been sacked from her media jobs (notably with little protest from MN). She aims to provoke and now she has and it turns out there is a line for WPUK. Hardly surprising.

Oh and the vast majority of child sex abusers are white British males.

"Those defending her on here and holding her up as some hero. Have you actually read her tweets? "

Just had a look through

"Islamophobia is a made-up word to silence critics of Islam apparently. Imagine the uproar if someone said the same about anti-semitism? "

Silly analogy. There are 2 billion Muslims, it's a globally dominant religion. Islam is also not a race 'Jew', is.

"Loads of anti-Muslim tweets despite the fact that misogyny exists worldwide and in many different religions. Have never seen her very worked up about Catholicism. "

try actually checking

twitter.com/search?q=from%3Atheposieparker%20catholic&src=typd

"The main accusations us gender critical ppl get is that we are bigoted. What does Posie then go and do? Tweet like a bigot. Talk about giving TRAs ammunition."

She's been tweeting the same way for 7 years. She has 50k posts. If you at some point appointed her your representative, you should have checked her ample body of Tweets for ideological purity before doing so, rather than after the fact.

Ah, but those 7 years worth of tweets didn’t matter. It was refusing to capitulate to WPUK members on her FB post re criticising Islam and Trans that made them pick up their ball and go home.

It’s quite pathetic really. We don’t even need TRAs to do anything if some participants are going to behave like children.
She wasn’t racist until she argued with them - not sure how that works, but hey.

permissiontospeaksir

This!! to your last couple of comments

The renting of wombs is at best questionable ethics and at worse more abuse of women's bodies

The hypocrisy of defending religious bigotry in the name of anything is not liberating to women in any guise as all require women to conform to some stereotypical image manufactured by men.

The UK used to be a pretty secular settled society, albeit COE identified and now we see radicalisation of all religions to women and children's demise - but again it doesn't suit all agendas to question such.

I hope WPUK don't get caught in the politically correct petard under the guise of inclusivity which frequently demands subjugation to male defined governance

Agreed @womanformerlyknownaswoman. It's a tricky one. I think Posie's tweets were injudicious at this time, when gender critical feminists are making such headway in the mainstream against the transactivist agenda.

But she's not wrong. The hypocrisy of feminists in the face of misogyny from other cultures can be really jarring. Take Ireland - we gave the Catholic church a massive kicking on Friday and it's part of a years-long process, and rightly so. But when this utter prick delivers his latest offensive statement (advocating FGM. He has also said Muslim boys and girls should be segregated and allowed to not participate in music or drama ), I hear nothing from the Irish feminists I know who are otherwise so vocal. Tumbleweed.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/trinity-distances-itself-from-muslim-lecturer-in-fgm-row-36597578.html

He is a senior figure in Ireland's largest mosque, which came out strongly against gay marriage and abortion. But not a peep of criticism from anyone about that.

do think a condition of taking T is that you're not able to conceive a baby until there's definitive proof that you won't damage your baby

A condition? So you think TIFs shouldn't be 'allowed' to conceive a baby without permission?

I'm on drugs I wouldn't be "allowed" to get pregnant on. If I was fertile I would have been told I couldn't get pregnant whilst on them, and if that was a problem then I wouldn't have got the drugs. I'm sure many women are in the same boat.

She hasn't been tweeting the same way for 7 years - she has been ramping up the 'free speech or die' tweets since she was arrested. WPUK don't read all the tweets of every speaker they invite - but when they are provided with evidence of these inflammatory and racist statements they have the right to disinvite her as being likely to bring the organisation into disrepute.

I'd get the sack for tweeting what posie has, as would many of us I'm sure. Why should she be indulged?

patchyderm

Yep agree with all you say - if one had been questioned by the police as the result of a vexacious complaint then maybe there for the grace of god go I - I don't know. And would she have been so sanctioned if she was a guy?

The silencing of Islam's critics, many of whom are women, under the familiar guise of Islamaphobia, is more doublethink - why should one religion be exempt from criticism of its abhorrent attitudes towards many women? If there was nothing to hide why the outrage at being challenged?

Seems like male wolves abound who jointly run a cartel licensing the use of "Phobia" in different jurisdictions