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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

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IAmDavidLewis · 22/05/2018 23:17

Well, one of the weirdest days in my life concluded with me receiving a letter informing me of my immediate suspension from the Labour Party. They believe I may have breached the rules by subverting the intention of All Women Shortlists, Women’s Officers or minimum quotas for women. Unfortunately, this does mean that my political ambitions are on hold for a while. I shall of course be continuing to self-identify as a woman every Wednesday, as that is my gender identity...

I have to say a huge thanks to @namechangeah for all her help, guidance and, more importantly, proof-reading! I wouldn’t have gotten to this point without it. I’d also like to thank everyone for their support today. I hope this has helped a bit.

And the Telegraph called me an “activist”! Achievement unlocked Grin

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OrchidInTheSun · 25/05/2018 09:18

Jane Fae and women's eggshell skulls

R0wantrees · 25/05/2018 09:18

Article in Basingstoke Observer
'EXCLUSIVE: David Lewis speaks out about Labour suspension over ‘part time woman’ role'

(extract)
“It’s a shame that it’s taken a part-time bearded woman to make people sit up and take notice when Labour should have been listening to these women’s valid concerns and consulting with them rather than handing down edicts from on high.”

Basingstoke MP Maria Miller chairs the cross-party Women and Equalities Committee and actively campaigns for changes to the Gender Recognition Act to reduce barriers for trans people.

She slammed current laws requiring a diagnosis with a mental health condition as “similar to the way gay people were treated in the UK more than 30 years ago”.

“I believe Basingstoke is an open and fair community that prides itself on welcoming everyone,” she said."

www.basingstokeobserver.co.uk/exclusive-david-lewis-speaks-out-about-labour-suspension-over-part-time-woman-role

Popchyk · 25/05/2018 09:27

I hope the local paper asked MM for a comment about David Lewis.

I suspect they did and she refused.

I wondered where she gets this bit from: “Nationally, the evidence is clear that trans people still endure hostility, discrimination and higher levels of sexual attack than any other group.”

Be good to see the source of that clear evidence.

Heck, I will write to her office and ask.

ToeToToe · 25/05/2018 09:29

Jane Fae, "women's eggshell skulls" and campaigning for extreme porn to be legalised... and "puberty blockers are no different from the contraceptive pill".

Fae is no friend to women & children's rights or safety.

Ereshkigal · 25/05/2018 09:29

Jane Fae's comments are actually part of a larger piece David has written in the Sun yesterday.

It's a thoughtful piece that is well worth the read.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/6368126/labours-womens-officer-david-lewis/

I hope that what I did shows we need the debate on gender identity.
We need to find the common ground so that trans people can live as they want to, while allowing women the dignity, privacy and safety that they deserve.
We are all here thanks to women, so let’s talk to them.

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/05/2018 09:34

She slammed current laws requiring a diagnosis with a mental health condition as “similar to the way gay people were treated in the UK more than 30 years ago”.

The problem is that gender dysphoria IS a mental health condition. And unless you have a gatekeeping process, you can’t separate out the genuinely dysphoric individuals who should be able to access treatment and get a GRC from anyone who is AGP or doing it for funsies - as David’s action has clearly shown. If the diagnostic part is removed, there is no need to treat anyone for gender dysphoria at all. People with gender dysphoria will suffer too, because the attitude will be ‘well it’s not a condition and you don’t need to transition.’

The gatekeeping is essential. It is NOT akin to how gay people were treated. Gay rights just evened the field, they didn’t remove rights from any other group. If gatekeeping is removed, then rights will be removed from women and children’s safeguarding will be diluted. So no, it’s not the same thing at all.

Self ID benefits nobody with honest intent. It doesn’t help people with gender dysphoria and it actively harms women and children. The only group that benefit are the AGP group, who are exactly the ones women do NOT want in their spaces.

Cwenthryth · 25/05/2018 09:36

I hope the local paper asked MM for a comment about David Lewis.

I suspect they did and she refused

Don’t they usuallly state “X was unavailable for comment” when that happens?

TransplantsArePlants · 25/05/2018 09:37

Gay rights evened the field, they didn't remove rights from any other group

It's important to keep saying this

Wanderabout · 25/05/2018 09:38

Yes Fae's comments were at the bottom of an absolutely excellent article by David Lewis. Do read his article, well worth it. Fae's comments just look ridiculous at the end of it.

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/05/2018 09:40

It is, because I think a lot of people assume this is just another gay rights issue and are fine with gay rights issues and so don’t pay attention.

Not only is T piggybacking on the LGB, it’s actively homophobic.

Trans ideology says you can’t be a butch girl - you must be a boy. It’s says you can’t be a feminine man - you must be a woman. It also shows some serious hostility to lesbians. It is homophobic to the core, it is not the same as gay rights.

Popchyk · 25/05/2018 09:46

Okay, so I've emailed Maria Miller.

Asked for the sources of this "clear evidence".

I'm not expecting a reply.

Melamin · 25/05/2018 09:48

I hope you get an answer. It will be interesting. You hear these claims of clear evidence but you never see it.

flowersonthepiano · 25/05/2018 09:52

She slammed current laws requiring a diagnosis with a mental health condition as “similar to the way gay people were treated in the UK more than 30 years ago”.

There was someone on BBC R4 Today programme this morning making this same point very strongly (between 8.45 and 9 am). The item was about the anniversary of section 28 and someone didn't register who) said that it was happening all over again for trans people.

It really does feel like fighting a losing battle when you hear that sort of thing. I certainly would have been sympathetic to it before learning the ramifications from you lot.

bigKiteFlying · 25/05/2018 09:53

I think it's good that article appeared in The Sun - FIL reads that as do many of his old work mates reading it there they'll take it on board while they wouldn't as much from other sources.

See Jane Fae gave the usual oh it would never happen defence Hmm.

R0wantrees · 25/05/2018 09:55

Ereshkigal
I noticed in the Sun article that the concerns were reported as being 'women's' rather than radical feminist's/ some feminist's / feminist's etc.

(extract)
"Women are worried that letting men say they are women without any checks is dangerous.

There is a fear that some men will identify as women just so they can go into changing rooms or loos and spy on or attack women.

Women also say that it will affect women’s rights to dignity and privacy, for example on women-only hospital wards or in shelters."

SuitedandBooted · 25/05/2018 10:12

"Women" rather than "Feminists" - excellent.

It shows it is a mainstream issue, rather than something for the weird/out-there/hairy legged man-haters!
Lets be honest, using "feminist" as a defining issue makes a lot of people tune out. It shouldn't, but it does.

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/05/2018 10:12

I think it's good that article appeared in The Sun

Yup. I keep saying this - the sun, the daily mail etc is where this should be being publicised. I don’t care how sniffy people are about tabloids, they have massive circulation and reach, and sometimes they do get it spot on.
A few articles in the DM from a journo who can give a more nuanced article than the usual freak show stuff they publish would go a long way. The DM has TEN TIMES as many readers as the guardian.

Ereshkigal · 25/05/2018 10:17

Ereshkigal
I noticed in the Sun article that the concerns were reported as being 'women's' rather than radical feminist's/ some feminist's / feminist's etc.

Yes. Good.

Janie143 · 25/05/2018 10:17

^^I wondered where she gets this bit from: “Nationally, the evidence is clear that trans people still endure hostility, discrimination and higher levels of sexual attack than any other group.” Me too. I think that information relates to cunty women

SuitedandBooted · 25/05/2018 10:22

The Sun has a comments section at the end.
I wonder if they police it as, ahem, "fairly" as the Guardian?

And again, yes to pushing for more articles in the Daily Mail, Sun, Express, Mirror etc. They have huge reach, and they are FREE online. Just think how many people read them.

Ereshkigal · 25/05/2018 10:22

It's utter bullshit.

Ereshkigal · 25/05/2018 10:23

MM comments not your post!

R0wantrees · 25/05/2018 10:28

I've heard the statement made by MM a number of times elsewhere. I would be interested in seeing it referenced. What does she mean by 'group'?

Janie143 · 25/05/2018 10:30

Has anyone linked to the petition in the article's comments?

nauticant · 25/05/2018 10:32

Thanks David for sticking your head above the parapet.

you must intend to live in your preferred gender until you die

Something has been clear to me for a while now. If you accept the ideology of gender identity and the things that flow from it, then it consistently follows that bi-gender (as a proxy for sex) people where they are simultaneously both a man and a woman, and flip-flopping from one gender to the other (as a proxy for sex) without limit must be permitted. If this brave new world is ushered in, no matter what the legal draftspeople try to do, any restrictions on only one gender (as a proxy for sex) or limits on transitions will be unsustainable.