Is this really a feminist board?

[GaspingShark]

I am a crap feminist. I haven't read a single book on the subject. Not De Beauvoir, not Greer, not Butler. The reasons for that are to do with a disability that I'd rather not go into, but I am a woman with a brain, and the Republic of Ireland is having a referendum on repealing the 8th this week. There it is, look, thirty threads down. And this "Feminism and Women's Rights" board's primary concern seems to be "What it will really take the peak trans the world?"

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

In my limited exchanges with OP I've certainly found her to be one of the more disingenuous posters on the board.

I have literally seen you say that about every single person you've disagreed with. Funny. It's your favourite word disingenuous.

I pondered over the weekend why there wasn't more traffic on the Repeal referendum. I'm not Irish - I'm not even in the UK - and my position on it is very clear. I haven't felt moved to post anything on it, but I have been watching with interest to see what happens, and will happily discuss the outcome hopefully with a few of our Irish posters who are much better informed about the jungle drums as well as the headline stuff

But why was the OP so aggressive? Why telling us off for doing feminism wrong, rather than simply posing a question about why some issues get traction and others don't?

What some don't seen to get is that many posters on this board have been here for literally years.

We know what this board is about, recognise many of the posters, have seen this issue growing.

Saying oh you don't care about women doesn't upset or "shame" anyone because we know it's bollocks.

I find the idea that it's women on here who don't care about women's rights, abortion, super ironic when multiple tra's have stated that even saying abortion is a women's issue is bigoted and transphobic. Further than that, that "gynocentric" feminism is bigoted and transphobic. So, according to fairly mainstream views we should NOT be talking about this at all. Who's not interested in women's rights again?

That's exactly how I feel @TERFragetteCity

An issue that virtually all feminists agree on and fully understand is going to have few posts

The OP simply pointed out the above is not true.
You will have lots of posts regardless of topic when:

1. Everyone does agree and wants to show solidarity or express anger

eg Spartacus or rape cases

1. When there is a bunfight or pile on
2. When there is an echo chamber
3. When there is an issue with a strong divide

But calling the OP disingenuous, goady, misogynist etc just because they have a different view to you is exactly what posters mean about those expressing alternative opinions to the status quo on here being personally attacked.

OP, I still don't understand why you didn't start a thread about the 8th, instead of this one? You could even have pincluded the feminist bollocking on it?

But calling the OP disingenuous, goady, misogynist etc just because they have a different view to you is exactly what posters mean about those expressing alternative opinions to the status quo on here being personally attacked.

You mean in response to being told we aren't doing it properly?

But calling the OP disingenuous, goady, misogynist etc just because they have a different view to you is exactly what posters mean about those expressing alternative opinions to the status quo on here being personally attacked.

I’d accept that for some posters... but I have seen this OP and about four others (assuming they are not all the same person, there are some similarities in phrasing and writing style) on multiple other threads engaging in the style as erish mentions.

It’s the pattern that makes the goadiness which is why people have been asking MNHQ to get some training in coercive control techniques for the mods.

Still, if goadiness was a crime there’d be no internet. But this isn’t a wide eyed innocent asking their first genuine question. It’s a poster with a history, as many of is are.

But what is the point of this thread then NotMyFirst? Genuine question. A thread to bollock mn feminists rather than just start a thread about the 8th? Don't get it.

I recall the Ulster rugby rape trial threads lasting about 2000 posts and we all agreed on that

People certainly weren't in agreement

Although the majority were

I mean in response to being asked why multiple threads on trans take priority over other issues - some have explained on here why in their opinion it is a pressing issue - but it won't be the first or last time that someone has asked the question.

Why are we giving reasons for which threads we choose?

I see you too, OP.

It’s not a zero sum game. People can be concerned about more than one thing at the same time.

I posted this morning on the ‘what will it take’ thread about the lawmakers in the countries that have brought in legal gender self ID, including Ireland.

You might think that these lawmakers have really shown that they care a lot about equality, fairness and living your life the way you want to live it.

You know, it’s odd, but their lawmaking records on abortion rights, aren’t brave or stunning at all. To the utter detriment of their female population (including those who identify themselves legally as men.)
Their abortion laws include some of the most restrictive in Europe.

it’s fairly plain that many of them couldn’t give a crap about the harms or even deaths that happen to women and girls without access to safe, legal, funded abortion.

Or was that not the kind of abortion rights discussion that you wanted us to have?

But why was the OP so aggressive? Why telling us off for doing feminism wrong

I wonder, too, about this.

I would guess but don't know unless they confirm that they are pointing out other issues get lost in the trans furore and are asking why it appears to outweigh other issues on here.

*Its also disingenuous to suggest that they aren't well read because they are virtually the most well thread person on that board.
I find this deliberate goading and poking at MN posters designed to get a rise.

Gaspingshark I see you.*

I'm sorry @BlytheByName, I know it probably looks that way but it's just not true. If I didn't read it before I was 20 I probably haven't read it at all and I don't think I've ever read a book on politics of any sort. I expect every last one of the regular posters on there knows more about feminism than I do.

It's not goading, it is argument. Believe it or not I do consider the answers people give me when I post stuff on here. Including now. If people I respect tell me my OP is not an issue I'll consider that.

I was on that thread (the peak trans one) and got sighed at for asking about crime stats. Those six countries may have awful record regarding abortion rights absolutely but that was not what I asked about when I asked for examples of non trans exploiting the self ID laws. You would think that there would be at least one story in four years that made the Danish press irrespective of how the stats are recorded.

My guess, NotMy, is that there is no level of political activity that women can do that is enough to prevent someone popping in and telling women that they are Doing Feminism Wrong.

God forbid that women be able to choose for their own damn selves what they do or don't need to talk about here. God forbid that women might already have a long history with an issue and feel they don't need to talk about it here. God forbid that women shouldn't have to justify to randoms how they spend their time.

I have literally seen you say that about every single person you've disagreed with. Funny. It's your favourite word disingenuous.

It's a useful word. I generally appreciate people who make good faith arguments, even if I disagree. Dishonest goady people, not so much.

First we all get pushed into explaining why we disagree with self id, now we're being asked to explain why we choose certain threads! In fact, goaded into it with the title Is this really a feminist board. I see you too OP.

And you didn't answer why you've not started a thread here about the Irish abortion question or started one in the other place we both post.
You're being shady.

"It's a useful word"

Other useful words: woman; man

They don't like them much either

YY, Archery, that's it exactly. Next we'll be having to explain why some of us don't wear lipstick, fgs.

NO to self id, NO to explaining which threads I choose. That ok, OP?

Where's that List of Misogyny Rules when you need it?