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LM trying to get a labour worker (not politician) fired

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Notthatwomanagain · 20/05/2018 20:03

Are you allowed to hold your own views if you work for a party but aren’t a politician?
She could get fired if this is pursued Im guessing?

LM trying to get a labour worker (not politician) fired

OP posts:

chickendrizzlecake · 21/05/2018 10:42

Unless they are telling you they are trans, then you totally dismiss them and loudly discuss with your friends what we can do to reduce the trans threat

There’s a big difference between a man telling people that they are trans and a man telling people that they are a woman.

I have no problem with the former and a big problem with the latter.

bd67th · 21/05/2018 10:46

@stormTreader "When someone tells you who they are, listen to them. Unless they are telling you they are trans, then you totally dismiss them and loudly discuss with your friends what we can do to reduce the trans threat."

Straw man. When a male says he is trans, I believe him. When he says he's female, I don't believe him. Bearing un mind that LM has openly said that trans rights and women's rights are in mutual opposition, we are well within our rights to identify LM's style of trans activism as a threat to women and discuss how to counter that threat.

Tinkletinklelittlebat · 21/05/2018 10:49

Who/where on this thread is totally dismissing trans people? Where did that come from?

If it wasn't clear, I was talking in regard to the Labour party and the likelihood of them responding to complaints. For the record, as far as I'm concerned everyone is welcome to be who and what they like, more power to them. My concern is that women's rights aren't damaged or removed by politics or law, and Labour appear determined to be deaf on the matter.

If you mean that talking about concerns around women's rights is somehow not listening to trans people in general you might need to explain your POV a bit more clearly?

Tinkletinklelittlebat · 21/05/2018 10:54

Ah. Having just read that twitter exchange bd shared, if you like that tweeter believe that achieving trans rights means removing women's rights and it's a zero sum game in which women must be the loser...

What are you on?

Why do you think that person should be a 'women's' officer when they are actively seeking to remove rights from the massive majority of the population they are supposedly representing?

How can you believe that a political party who actually thinks this is somehow ok is not totally fucked beyond all repair?

Tinkletinklelittlebat · 21/05/2018 10:54

And why do you feel that women should be gladly and willingly complicit in the loss of their rights?

ElenOfTheWays · 21/05/2018 10:55

"When someone tells you who they are, listen to them. Unless they are telling you they are trans, then you totally dismiss them and loudly discuss with your friends what we can do to reduce the trans threat."

Oh don't be so bloody disingenuous. It's pretty clear to most people that what is meanf by this is that someone "telling" you who they are is doing so by their actions not their words.

Not every guy who claims to be a "good guy" is one. Far from it.

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg · 21/05/2018 11:04

that the concept of gender identity is established

So's the concept of God - I'm not under any obligation to call a priest 'Father' though am I....

I've also heard of PIL who would like a person who's married into the family to call them mum or dad - people are free to decide how polite they want to be to such PIL regarding the balance between being nice and honouring their wishes, and being truthful.

MrGHardy · 21/05/2018 11:07

StormTreader

Are you all well? The one thing that is going on here is the fact that TRAs call women who speak up TERFs and Transphobic and accuse them of "literal violence". I.e. they want them to shut up. So I ask you, who is not listening to who here?

Ereshkigal · 21/05/2018 11:10

Oh don't be so bloody disingenuous. It's pretty clear to most people that what is meanf by this is that someone "telling" you who they are is doing so by their actions not their words.
Not every guy who claims to be a "good guy" is one. Far from it.

I'm not sure this person grasped the meaning of the phrase, they just jumped at the chance to tell off some disobedient women for not centring males.

rememberthetime · 21/05/2018 11:13

Had a huge chat with my teenage daughter last night regarding the trans debate.

She said that a transwoman is NOT a biological woman because that is an impossibility. That's what she has learned from her GCSE biology classes. She categorises women and men via their chromosomes.

She also pointed out that the trans thing makes no sense as they profess to want to move away from gender stereotypes by moving into one. ie - "there is a gender spectrum and it doesn't matter how you present yourself - but I really don't want to be on it so I am going to place myself at the very end of that spectrum."

I think many teenagers find this double-speak baffling.

She also believes that gender dysphoria is a mental illness that requires treatment and that is not necessarily hormones or surgery.

I add this to show that not all people of around LM's age are accepting this. There are many dissenting voices.

Noqonterfy · 21/05/2018 11:14

Cis isn't a thing. Transwomen are men. LM is a bully.

Juanitajune · 21/05/2018 11:26

I can't imagine Labour will care. Corbyn and McDonnell have their minds firmly on turning this country into a communist state. LM's nonsense won't be high on their agenda.

Terfing · 21/05/2018 11:29

I'm very worried about LM. They're estranged from their family, and all of their friends are encouraging them to behave badly. This won't end well for anyone. I just hope there will be someone there to pick up the pieces at the end.

MissSusanSays · 21/05/2018 12:56

The language foisted on women by the trans narrative is double speak worthy of 1984.

Transwomen are transwomen i.e- men who identify with stereotypically female gender roles.

It is very sad that there is a portion of the trans community who feel they have to create a lie about who they are and then force feed it to others. Why not be confident and happy about what you are rather than pretending, and forcing others to pretend, that to are something else? Surely part of this is embracing our differences.

Transwomen are not actual women but it doesn’t mean that women wouldn’t welcome them and support them. I would welcome and support any transwoman. But I’m not about live a lie because someone else wants me to.

Juells · 21/05/2018 13:42

Brilliant post, @MissSusanSays

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 21/05/2018 16:19

Supermatch Game - Seek I don't think you are in danger of being 'cisgendered' in day to day life

Your are bang wrong. The towering arrogance of assuming you know more about someone's day to day life that then person living their own day to day life! Jesus.

ArcheryAnnie · 21/05/2018 19:58

The law says you have to wear a seat belt or not racially abuse someone or not misgender them - most people do not describe that as being forced.

What arrant nonsense, SupermatchGame. The law says nothing of the sort. Furthermore it's incredibly disingenuous of you to compare racial abuse and misgendering. Racial abuse is hate speech directed by a privileged group against an oppressed group. "Misgendering", if you insist on calling it that, is the refusal by an oppressed group to be forced by a privileged group to lie about that privileged group's privilege.

Picassospaintbrush · 21/05/2018 21:46

The law says you have to wear a seat belt or not racially abuse someone or not misgender them - most people do not describe that as being forced.

Wearing a seat belt is a safeguarding regulation - no one calls it a phobia to be afraid of going through the windscreen.

Sex segregation is a safeguarding issue, why is that called a phobia?

Ereshkigal · 21/05/2018 22:10

Great point, Picasso.

QuoadUltra · 21/05/2018 22:12

I am a lawyer. What law defines misgendering?

thebewilderness · 22/05/2018 02:45

Maya Angelou is spinning in her grave from the abuse of her words to live by advice. "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." - Maya Angelou

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