Misgendering is 'illegal' and boys who ID as girls can now share bedrooms with girls on school trips

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As if the Girl Guiding farce wasn't enough....

"Children as young as four are being asked by their 'trans-friendly' primary school to inform on anyone calling transgender pupils by the 'wrong' pronoun.

The policy at Arbury Primary in Cambridge states that it is 'illegal' to call someone 'he/she' or 'it' against their wishes."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5748821/Children-young-4-told-head-teacher-tell-pupils-misgender-classmates.html

In same article....

"Male pupils at some Welsh schools who believe they are girls will be allowed to share dormitories with female students during trips away.

The diktat has been issued by the local authority for the Vale of Glamorgan as part of new guidance for secondary and primary schools.

In a ‘Transgender Inclusion Toolkit’, launched last month, schools are advised: ‘As far as possible, trans pupils and students should be able to sleep in dorms appropriate to their gender identity.’

Bob Penrose, the Vale of Glamorgan Council cabinet member for learning and culture, said: ‘The guidance is appropriate and practical, but it is only guidance. How schools seek to use it is a matter for head teachers and governing bodies who will be free to use other resources as they see fit.’

Oh ffs it just gets worse and worse doesn't it.

Translation let's stereotype all the kids that walk through that door. As opposed to teaching them they can be anything they want to be.

Dangerous abusive nonsense

it's just so fucking regressive to give kids yet another thing that they need to classify themselves by.

This is all sex segregated, for good and obvious reasons, not gender segregated, because that's made up, oppressive nonsense.

Christ, I mean, my kids go to a school where DS2 has come home telling me that 'girls like pretty stuff, boys like cool stuff' but at least that's just the standard traditional nonsense that I already counter, the last thing I'd need is his teachers mis-teaching him English, and telling him that he's got it the wrong way round, and it's 'liking cool stuff' that makes him a boy.

FUUUUUUUUUUCK Stop it all, I want to get off.

How exactly is the yr 5 hygiene lesson going to be taught?

Incorrectly and confusingly I suppose.

Is anyone else considering homeschooling until this madness passes?

Mine aren't school age yet, but I do worry about how things are going and the lies I'm going to be expected to reinforce at home. I don't mind explaining things to my kids, but I don't want them having to put up with this from the age of 4 and say things they don't necessarily believe for fear of getting in trouble. Or thinking that their parents are "law breaking" bigots...

Homeschooling has increased hugely in the last couple of years apparently - I wonder how much things like this are the cause.

I would seriously consider leaving the profession if this became common practice.

It will be the end of any residential trip ever wouldn't if?

Because you couldn't have boys sleeping in he same room.as girls regardless of how they identify.

So they just won't take them anywhere.

Intentional or not, the effect is the same as if right wing nationalists took over and ran children's organisations.
Girls are disadvantaged or excluded.

Would this be indirect discrimination against girls?

This is all fucking mad. It's going to limit things for girls, because who gives a shit?

Ugh. What's so difficult is the way some of this sounds entirely appropriate - gender neutral uniform; not stereotyping children and accepting the way they express themselves. I would support that. I used to wish my daughter's uniform was more neutral. But then conflating gender with sex, and encouraging name changes? Madness. Just let people be people, ffs.

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that these policies are often pushed by people who want to be progressive but have absolutely no ability to think critically or intelligently about the issues involved. I guess you guys here know this already; but I used to think that the people that were disagreeing with me would have thought it through a bit, have their own reasonable justifications for their stand point. But it's empty rhetoric, buzzwords, stock phrases. It shocks me just how many people don't seem to be able to understand the idea that sex isn't the same as gender roles. Perhaps they are just not willing to.

I considered home-schooling in the past, to keep my daughter away from the gender-rules crap, and the inevitable slow downward slide of self esteem that seems to happen to girls as they approach puberty. Daughter loves school, though, so I've never gone through with it. If she were at Arbury I might...

No, HerFemaleness, because all the 'girls' will be sleeping separately from the 'boys', so there's no problem....... until there is a problem.

Trans doesn't work without stereotypes though.

The whole thing starts when boys play with barbies and not toy cars. So there is no way to include trans kids as trans unless you indulge the harmful stereotypes.

I don't understand how teachers and all the things they just have dealt with over the years, early onset of periods, victims of assult and fgm etc and still think being a girl is about pronouns and stereotypes.

These are supposed to be educated people. Did he not pass biology?

NewSense
I already homeschool mine, we made the choice for lots of reasons but I won't lie, I'm pleased to be able to protect/counter this regressive gender garbage. They still encounter it - sometimes it is worse in home ed circles! - but it is less all encompassing. Very manly Dh and our daughter (nearly 13) have been baking sourdough bread together all day.

I do know parents who have pulled kids from school due to similar stories.

I have a 4 year old son who loves pink and often chooses girl toys. He rarely comes out with "that's for boys/girls" stuff. I will lose my shit if anyone dares to teach him that he could actually be a girl. Lose. My. Shit. My perfect boy is happy and free and sweet. Eff off.

As for the mixed sex sleeping arrangements, girls will just be kept home. Women are being shooed from public life again. Replaced with better Women, men. So depressing.

They got talking in an RE lesson about trans issues at my 15-y old daughter's school. There are apparently 2 ftms in the school but not in that class. A male pupil said "Its fair enough, but they're not actually boys are they." He was immediately given a C3 lunchtime detention.

terf

What the hell are the school going to do when a transboy gets seriously injured playing rugby?

My 4 year old still uses the wrong pronouns occasionally. How on earth could I correct his English if he had these additional rules to contend with.

Fortunately our school isn't in that region.

That's really shocking, Terf
Gaslighting children and trying to make them lie. It is not hateful to say that humans can't change sex.

I know and its a Catholic school too, so I was surprised as well as shocked

Have you complained terf?

Who says misgendering is illegal? Is it the same people who say it would be illegal not to lie to parents about putting children in mixed sex accommodation without the girls consent?

There are overlaps with the concerns about interpretation / application of laws discussed on this current thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3253884-girlguiding-an-update

They got talking in an RE lesson about trans issues at my 15-y old daughter's school. There are apparently 2 ftms in the school but not in that class. A male pupil said "Its fair enough, but they're not actually boys are they." He was immediately given a C3 lunchtime detention.

This is wrong. You can't give children a detention for pointing out a biological truth. School is for teaching facts and critical thinking.

There is a male child in dd's y4 class who identifies as non binary. The school humour him on this. On his "girl" days, he's allowed to wear tiaras and capes and arrange fashion shows. He seems to aspire to some sort of mean girl persona. He refuses to play with boys regardless of how he's identifying.

He has major behavioural problems in that he is very violent towards the girls in his year. He's punched, slapped and kicked my dd in the last couple of years. He's cornered a friend's dd in the open plan toilets and assaulted her. Another friend's dd has had her hair cut with scissors by him and he wrapped a jump rope around her neck. I know there have been many other incidents. The school are not effective in dealing with his behaviour at all. They have a no exclusion policy and if he needs to be removed from the class area, he goes to do craft with a thrive practioner.

This worries me as there's already been some planning towards the year 6 trip (new school, y4 is the oldest year group). I'm concerned that he'll be put in accommodation with the girls and there will be some sort of serious injury to my daughter or one of her classmates.

If above his now the case, I would have to consider pulling my daughter from the trip for safety reasons.