Misgendering is 'illegal' and boys who ID as girls can now share bedrooms with girls on school trips

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As if the Girl Guiding farce wasn't enough....

"Children as young as four are being asked by their 'trans-friendly' primary school to inform on anyone calling transgender pupils by the 'wrong' pronoun.

The policy at Arbury Primary in Cambridge states that it is 'illegal' to call someone 'he/she' or 'it' against their wishes."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5748821/Children-young-4-told-head-teacher-tell-pupils-misgender-classmates.html

In same article....

"Male pupils at some Welsh schools who believe they are girls will be allowed to share dormitories with female students during trips away.

The diktat has been issued by the local authority for the Vale of Glamorgan as part of new guidance for secondary and primary schools.

In a ‘Transgender Inclusion Toolkit’, launched last month, schools are advised: ‘As far as possible, trans pupils and students should be able to sleep in dorms appropriate to their gender identity.’

Bob Penrose, the Vale of Glamorgan Council cabinet member for learning and culture, said: ‘The guidance is appropriate and practical, but it is only guidance. How schools seek to use it is a matter for head teachers and governing bodies who will be free to use other resources as they see fit.’

Sardine/thewhale - suggest you AS huffsoy before leaping to their defence...

The transboys change in the girls changing room and use the girls toilets (there are 3 trans boys at the school) and so does the transgirl. I don't understand the logic to this.

That has become quite common in schools, I understand. Explains why the transgender advocates in political parties use terms like men and "non men". People might notice if they designated facilities men and lesser people.

All of this is such utter bollocks.

Why is there is so much very heavy pressure on pushed transitioning of children and medicalising them and putting them through unneccesary surgery, when there is also such an emphasis on adult TIMs keeping their (puke) "lady penis?

I have a son and a daughter (twins).

I will no more give permission for my DS to sleep in a dormitory with a transboy than I will for my DD to sleep in a dormitory with a transgirl.

I don’t want either of them to be vulnerable to accusations of transphobia, to accusations of assualt or to actually being assaulted.

I won’t send my DS on a trip it’s not safe for his DSis to attend and vice versa.

I’ll keep them both home.

How does anyone think this is workable?

Given how much effort teachers put into keeping boys and girls separate on school trips these policies will make a mockery of it.

What do the school do if a child suddenly declares they are trans just before the trip and they suspect it’s solely to gain access to members of the opposite sex when they are sleeping and vulnerable?

How will they protect the other students? How will they protect themselves from accusations of transphobia.

The reason this sort of news horrifies me is that I have vivid memories of desperately wanting to be a boy as a child.

I am female and happy- now. As a young child all my friends were boys, I was aggressive like them, played with boys toys and my favourite outfit was a Thomas the Tank T-short. I also intensely disliked girls and often thought of ‘them’ as fragile, dramatic creatures...because I didn’t think of myself as a girl. I dread to think of what they’d do to me if I was the same child these days. By the time I was 8/9 I began to ‘forget’ that I was a ‘boy’ and just accept myself as a girl that wasn’t like the stereotypical girl, I just thought of myself as me and a started becoming friends with girls too. I’m now a fairly effeminate woman.

I think the reason I wanted to be a boy was more to do with people not accepting little rugged girls like me, and so I thought that if I was a boy then I would be accepted. It would have been terribly cruel to give into that childhood fantasy.

Don't forget the gender fluid police officer with two ID cards - how one is supposed to avoid mis-gendering them is anyone's guess, without relying on stereotypes ("Oh, wearing lipstick, must be Abi today"). And of course a woman being arrested and handled by Abi cannot complain that they are entitled to be searched etc by a female officer, because Abi is totes female (today, anyway, tomorrow she will be Callum and not able to perform the search)

My 5 year old DS asked me if he was a girl the other day. Some random woman in soft play told him he was a girl because he has long hair. He told he he was a boy but she apparently said no he wasn't because boys don't have long hair.

And then people wonder how to many kids are getting funneled into transition. If adults who ought to know better would quit trying to impose gender roles on them that would be a good start.

"The transboys change in the girls changing room and use the girls toilets (there are 3 trans boys at the school) and so does the transgirl. I don't understand the logic to this."

The logic, I guess, is that the school realises that putting trans boys in boys' changing rooms puts them at huge risk. Some schools will ask the children what they want to do, and of course trans boys themselves don't want to use boys' changing rooms because they know it makes them vulnerable.

On the other hand, putting a trans girl in amongst a bunch of girls isn't going to create a risk for the trans girl, and the risk for the girls is probably relatively small compared to the risk for a trans boy in a boys' changing room.

the risk for the girls is probably relatively small
Until more boys catch on that they can do this, and it becomes a 'cool' thing for them to do.

Of course, 'risk' of feeling embarrassed and upset probably doesn't come into anyone's assessment.

Looking back to my teenage years and the lengths we went to in order to be with the opposite sex, I can readily imagine residential trips with boys self id-ing as girls in order to sleep in the same room as their girlfriends.

risk of feeling embarrassed and upset would have been enough to stop DD going to the school loos (it certainly did at primary ), and thus would also mean she'd risk urinary infections and want to stay home during her period.

I doubt she's unique.

When I chose dd's secondary I only considered the educational advantages of it being independent, didn't give a great deal of thought to it being single sex, and the fact it has a disproportionate % of Muslim girls in relation to the area didn't even hit my radar.

She's only y9 now and yet in those few years I've become increasingly grateful for those factors I hadn't given much or even any thought to, because they make it highly unlikely the school would go in for mixed sex facilities under the guise of trans inclusion.

In fairness it's never gone in for gender stereotypes, which I previously thought was just a great pro feminist environment to be in, rather than now where it is hopefully another reason they won't bow to the gender stereotyping that so much of the trans movement promotes.

I agree too re how frightening it is that teens are being encouraged. It's bad enough to think that those of us who were described as tomboys as children could have been sucked in, but I think the outlook for younger lesbians now, especially those who don't conform to female stereotypes is truly scary.

Dd has one friend that in other circumstances would certainly be abused in this way. Luckily due to family, environment, upbringing etc she's a perfectly happy and confident gay teen girl, who just happens to prefer stereotypically masculine pursuits and appearance.

On the other hand a similar girl she used to know is now apparently a heterosexual teen boy who fancies girls like any other. Even though it's entirely obvious that different circumstances explain why she can't just accept herself as a gender non conforming lesbian like the first.

On the other hand, putting a trans girl in amongst a bunch of girls isn't going to create a risk for the trans girl, and the risk for the girls is probably relatively small compared to the risk for a trans boy in a boys' changing room.

How is a transgender identified male at risk in the male changing room?
Are you seriously arguing that teaching girls they do not deserve privacy from males is the price you are willing to pay to make sure a male child is not put at risk of their self identity being denied by using sex segregated changing rooms?

Isn't it because boys being bullied is much worse than girls being bullied?

Trans boy = transgender identified female

Trans girl = trans identified male

Poster is saying that transboy (female) may be at risk in with the boys in a way a transgirl (female) is not when in with the girls.

So, everyone ends up in with the girls. Same as one bog for men and one for all genders.

That's what I read anyway.

Oh missed the bit saying gnc boys should be in with girls to protect them from other boys and fuck how the girls feel about it.

MadCap

The world has gone mad.

@MadCap
"There is a male child in dd's y4 class..."

"He has major behavioural problems in that he is very violent towards the girls in his year. He's punched, slapped and kicked my dd in the last couple of years. He's cornered a friend's dd in the open plan toilets and assaulted her. Another friend's dd has had her hair cut with scissors by him and he wrapped a jump rope around her neck."

Regardless of any gender-related issues this child should not be in a mainstream school. I'm not sure why the issue has not been dealt with by outside agencies if the school will not deal with it. Presumably, he is 9 or turning 9 this year, so next school year he will be legally responsible for any violence, and the police could be involved, as they should be. Whether he wears a tiara, a cape or anything else, his violent actions should be addressed.

I think in this case the trans umbrella is being used to cover up some pretty atrocious behaviour. Hope things change.

MadCap I am assuming you are England.

Agree with italian.

If this had been a thing back in the 1980s i can think of at least 3 lads i was at school with trying to use it to their advantage
Especially on the school trip abroad.