Cotton ceiling?

[Freespeecher]

I'm ok with most of the terminology on here but this one has me beat.

Anyone care to help a fellow out?

Yes. Very disturbing.

That article is fascinating Bloomed.
An entire article on how to have 'lesbian' sex and it only concentrates on one participant's pleasure -- that of the person with a penis. There's nothing about things you could do together or even the hint that sex might be a mutually pleasurable activity. Only one person's pleasure is thought of.
Once again, it seems to come down to a sense of entitlement and the assumption that sex is something a woman performs or let's happen. Very creepy.

Exactly. And there is a curious focus on only one party's possible dysphoria.

It must be really hard work being a transwoman lesbian by the sounds of it. I'm bloody exhausted after trying to wade through all that crazy.

The article is for a niche audience- women who say they are lesbians but who would consider a trans woman who has not had genital surgery.

Whether you (general you) like it or not there are women who say they are lesbian but are up for that. I have no idea if such women are really heterosexual women trying to be cool or lesbians who are surprised to find themselves attracted to a trans woman.

Riley Dennis is a laughing stock. There is almost an industry devoted to making response videos telling Riley that- and a fair number are by trans people.

At one extreme there is Riley yelling it is transphobic to have phyisical sexual preferences (and almost nobody paying attention) At the other extreme- who knows ? There may well be lesbians who find that having got to know a trans woman they do want to have a physical relationship with them.

The article has no relevance to me or presumably the rest of you. I'm not sure why you (general you) would even come across it. Top tips for lesbian sex isn't exactly falling into my inbox as that is as irrelevant.

I don't think I've seen anyone but terf "gender critical feminists" use this term ever.

It does rather shed a light on why so many TIMs may be reluctant to undergo surgery though, doesn't it?

I assumed it was in case they changed their mind re. their sexual orientation at some stage, but, like most men, personal sexual satisfaction remains a priority and I guess retaining their tackle ensures that can continue, with or without a partner.

Oh hey, relevant! Just saw this on Reddit, taken from an Autostraddle article.

When my prostate is stimulated this way, I don’t feel like I have a penis anymore.

How does that even work? I mean it "works" in that it's fucking nonsense, obviously, but like, in his head.

And I see Bloomed got there first. Still want to know how someone poking your prostate makes your cock vanish.

Riley Cock Dennis is my peaktrans.

I mean this in a kind way, is it possible the entitled, delusional thinking is part of the/a mental illness? Who would seriously think they can advise sexual assault victims to have therapy, then reconsider their sexual preference? In my opinion, Riley needs therapy for this suggestion alone, never mind all the other stuff. Sad really, go and get some help Riley.

DD (26) is bi, but leaning slightly more towards women. (think she's still making her mind up). However, she only wants to date men who are................erm, men. Not a man who feels they are a woman. Would this be acceptable to Riley?

I think those of us who're bisexual and not interested in sex with trans people may be even more evil than lesbians from Riley's perspective.

They really need help, just in my opinion of course. Think I've just transpeaked, I'm fuming and I've had enough!(trying really hard not to swear)!! Dd is a strong young woman but has a personality disorder and sometimes easily led. I'm scared for her, it's as simple as that. Bloody scared!

I would be too, it's not a happy moment for young women in terms of sex and relationships in general even before you get to the trans nonsense.

That reddit thread was incredibly upsetting. I read the uncensored version of it and it's shocking how homophobic these cotton ceiling trans people and their allies are.

The OP stated that although she wholeheartedly believes TW=W, she is only attracted to born females. She is exhorted to try to overcome her genital "preference" (some call it prejudice) and told in no uncertain terms that being monosexual as she calls it is transphobic and all that on a forum for lesbians.

The moderators deleted almost all comments agreeing with her and all comments saying that TW are male therefore it's no surprise she's not attracted to them.

The thing is though that she really does seem to believe deep down that TW=W as she states in the discussion that she has tried having sex with post-op TW many times and found that neo-vaginas just do not sexually arouse her (sorry for the TMI). In the eyes of the people now in control of this lesbian discussion forum, this is unadulterated transphobia.

I read her post in that vein - that she tried so very hard to love TW but has now decided to stop going against her nature and stick to females instead. Well, that is not allowed.

I don't understand the world I live in anymore. How is it suddenly okay again to be this homophobic? And all of the posters disagreeing with her do so convinced they are progressives and she is an evil transphobe.

I've come across too many young lesbians now facing this pressure, it's heartbreaking. Can lesbians even find support anymore in LGBT groups?

An entire article on how to have 'lesbian' sex and it only concentrates on one participant's pleasure -- that of the person with a penis. There's nothing about things you could do together or even the hint that sex might be a mutually pleasurable activity. Only one person's pleasure is thought of

Yep. And you can be sure that it will be given to lesbian women as 'education'.

The link to Riley's videos led me down a rabbit hole, leading to which must be the most narcissistic I've seen - Riley manages to conflate disabled people, fat people, gay people, black people and pretty much everyone else, and insult the lot of them

As an aside I've realised that when Riley describes Rileyself as "gay" Riley means Riley is attracted to women with vaginas, though Riley seems to be trying to convince Rileyself that Riley might at some stage be attracted to a woman with a penis, provided that woman with a penis was attractive enough obviously

[absofuckinglutelybefuddled]

but Rileyself has quite a ring to it. I might try this next time.

Being insulted and attacked because I’m not attracted to and don’t want to have sex with people with penises, I’ve had that before.
Being told that my sexuality isn’t real, I’ve had that before.
Being told that I should learn to love Dick, I’ve had that before.
It all sounds very Familia indeed. You can put a dress high heels and make up on it all you like, misogyny, homophobia and male entitlement all look the same to me.

I can officially say, as a lesbian, that if I am ever faced by any of this bullshit, I will tell them to fuck right off. That goes for pretty much all of the lesbians I know as well.

this misgendering avoidance is pretty fucking difficult>

To be honest I think using this approach to work around it highlights even more that we don't believe in it, which is a good thing.

So have I got this right, very confused? Rileyself is a person with a penis who feels he is a woman. Right so far? Riley wants to date women, therefore Riley is a lesbian with a penis? Riley thinks all lesbians without penis should date lesbians with penis otherwise they are transphobic? But therefore, it must also be transphobic if all lesbians with penis (such as Riley) won't date other lesbians with penis?! Have I got this right?

It's like that old joke, man feels like he's a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Except it's not funny anymore... ( was it ever funny?)