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Cotton ceiling?

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Freespeecher · 06/05/2018 09:33

I'm ok with most of the terminology on here but this one has me beat.

Anyone care to help a fellow out?

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MargeH · 06/05/2018 22:01

Gosh, just tried listening to that Riley video and gave up half way through. Allowing a moment's pause between sentences and paragraphs might have been a good idea. It just comes over as an intolerant rant.

InfiniteCurve · 06/05/2018 22:09

What I can't get over on the Reddit thread linked to up thread is the total inability of some of the posters to appreciate any difference between a "constructed" vagina and a "non-constructed" vagina.And why a lesbian might be attracted to one but not the other.
I'm just ConfusedShockHmm and possibly Envy.

thebewilderness · 06/05/2018 22:25

One of the great tragedies of the transgender advocacy by medical professionals and chalatans is that they have done their best to convince people that taking away the male genitalia reveals the female genitalia hiding beneath. Calling a surgically created cavity a neo vagina does a great disservice to the young people considering surgery.
It is a terrible lie that they do not discover until they have to deal with the surgical wound every day of the rest of their lives.
I suspect this fantasy vs reality is partly the reason for the conflict between the transsexuals and the transgender advocates.

LassWiADelicateAir · 07/05/2018 01:18

I believe Riley has a youtube lecture

Riley is a YouTube laughing stock. There are countless response videos by lesbians, straight women, transgender women and straight men pointing out how wrong Riley is as do most of the comments on Riley 's own videos.

LaSqrrl · 07/05/2018 14:58

I believe Riley has a youtube lecture about how lesbians how won't submit to dick are bigotted bastards

Does Riley have any other theme? Not that I am aware of!
Oh, and referring to the other thread (Grass Account) as to the many libfem sites that have become trans sites, I think RJD was from Everyday Feminism or whatever.

AngryAttackKittens · 07/05/2018 15:17

What Bewilderness said. Do you think you're doing a kindness by telling male people that a surgeon can make them a vagina, those of you who think that's a great way to spare someone's feelings? You're not. Because those who have it done will soon discover for themselves that what they end up with does not function like an actual vagina at all, and many of them will have complications associated with that surgery for the rest of their lives.

Nobody should be going into major surgery without a clear picture of all the things that could go wrong and realistic expectations about what the surgery can and cannot achieve. It is not a kindness to withhold that information.

It's also not a kindness not to tell trans people that transition will probably reduce their potential pool of sexual partners significantly. Again, this is something people should know before making major decisions rather than after.

(Though not having known is obviously no excuse for the kind of rapey bullshit epitomized by the cotton ceiling concept. Nobody deserves access to the bodies of other people.)

Terfulike · 07/05/2018 15:41

I don't hear them complaining though. Whilst I have no doubt it is an inferior facsimile, they don't know what the real thing is like and they seem quite happy and complete afterwards, strangely.

StarsAndWater · 07/05/2018 15:50

I hadn't seen that post Ereshkigal. Yup, that sums it up really. All poor me without any empathy or respect for lesbians to choose their own sexual partners. Very creepy.

FlippinFumin · 07/05/2018 16:02

Well this made me sign up! I have never in my whole long life heard anything so offensive to women. I have been reading these discussions since yesterday and getting more and more angry and terrified!

Tinkletinklelittlebat · 07/05/2018 17:40

It also nicely encapsulates the belief that for women, feelings and sexual pleasure must take a back seat to doing what is right by male born people according to male born people and should be focused on political correctness and service. Basically sex is for the benefit of male born people and not for women to enjoy.

Welcome back to the 16th Century.

thebewilderness · 07/05/2018 21:02

I don't hear them complaining though. Whilst I have no doubt it is an inferior facsimile, they don't know what the real thing is like and they seem quite happy and complete afterwards, strangely.

They are complaining though. The transgender advocates berate them for it so they stfu or take it to private crying.
The statistic that stands out regarding regret is that the suicide rate remains the same after genital surgery.

Tinkletinklelittlebat · 07/05/2018 21:09

That sounds rather like how de transitioners are often treated in the trans community - silenced and rejected as much as possible by the people who would understand the most what they're going through. And exactly how we're seeing transsexual people treated. Sad

AngryAttackKittens · 07/05/2018 21:12

Yeah, that. If someone is happy with their newly rearranged bits then everyone in trans spaces wants to hear about that, but if they're not happy they seem to just got a lot of "stop raining on my parade" and not a lot of support.

LaSqrrl · 07/05/2018 21:51

The trans regretters get similar treatment to the radical feminists, and very much ostracised from people they thought were their friends. Very sad.

Only just googled this site made by a regretter.

Curious to hear what the pro-trans commenters here have to say about regretters, particularly those post-surgery. Or will it be a case of No True Trans, in order to support the 'innate gender feels'?

IStillMissBlockbuster · 08/05/2018 06:24

I don't hear them complaining though. Whilst I have no doubt it is an inferior facsimile, they don't know what the real thing is like and they seem quite happy and complete afterwards, strangely.

Oh they do complain, but it gets deleted. I've seen screenshots of a Reddit thread of TIMs complaining about the painful and very unpleasant amount of dilating and douching they have to do to prevent it from healing. I don't know if anyone has a link to that.

Kyanite · 08/05/2018 06:42

Lots of threads around of them not bothering to dilate and douche, and that being unpleasant.

LaSqrrl · 08/05/2018 09:03

Some rather common problems here and the maintenance basics here.

Factory-fitted, a lot less problems!

chocolatesun · 08/05/2018 09:07

I find the idea of anyone being told who they should be sexually attracted to or who they should have sex with incredibly offensive.

Wanderabout · 08/05/2018 19:48

The trans regretters get similar treatment to the radical feminists, and very much ostracised from people they thought were their friends. Very sad.

Agree. Their voices should be heard, especially on the right balance between affirmation and exploring what is right for a child who thinks they are trans.

thebewilderness · 08/05/2018 21:23

The trans regretters get similar treatment to the radical feminists, and very much ostracised from people they thought were their friends. Very sad.

Remarkably similar to what happens to people who object to the new mixed sex everything in Canada.

xxmarksthespot · 09/05/2018 09:30

The "cotton ceiling" says that women have to give their bodies and spaces to any man who demands it. It is basic transactivism: women should have no boundaries and any of us that dissent should be hounded as "transphobes".

Juells · 09/05/2018 14:49

I couldn't read that after the first paragraph :(

Bloomed · 09/05/2018 14:51

A commenter points out that it reads like conversion therapy.

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/05/2018 16:03

And again there’s no ire directed at MEN who won’t have sex with transwomen is there?

Or against trans women who won’t sleep with their peers? No it’s just women.

This entitlement to our bodies is terrifying.