Hello all, man here! am i welcome to talk and learn a bit about stuff ?

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Ive done a little browsing in the feminism section and i admit its intriguing, please forgive my ignorance as i dont know alot about this all.

I just want to start by saying i was raised to respect everyone and i truly do, my view on equality is simply if some one, man or woman is good enough to do the specific job they aspire for then they have every right to get said job/goal, again if this is slight ignorance forgive me, i post this topic because i would like to learn and be less ignorant, love me some knowledge.. :)

So i suppose my question is broad and depends on the individual person's view, but what is the over reaching/ultimate goal of feminism ? or what does it mean to you personally ? and please, dont think im trolling or anything i genuinely want to learn a thing or two, thanks :)

Here's a free tip. There are various universities that offer free courses on a myriad of topics. Amongst which you will find introductions to feminism, which could be a good place to start.

PleaseCustomizeCharacter I have been reading this board for over a year (I am male) and this is only my third post ironically the second was yesterday. Why don't you just read through the posts and reflect on what is being written. Occasionally you will have to Google something but generally the information is there.

@PleaseCustomizeCharacter what do you want from life? I am guessing it is the same as me. To live in safety, to do your work, sociliase, etc and not to be a target for sexual or other assault or attack. To have views listened to, when appropriate, to see the world in a way that makes sene to you? Maybe a whole lot more.

When I look at the films on at the cinema, or on TV, or books, or panel shows, or quiz games, or politicians, or anyone saying significant things in the media, it seems to me that they are usually about 25% female. Now I know the world is actually more than 50% female (from a human perspective) so that lack of representation is very harmful.

My female biology has affected my life, and my world doesn't really reflect that the biology needs to be taken into consideration but it does not mean you can push onto me all kind of assumptions about my brain etc because of my biology.

There is loads more I could say, but I would say women are half the world and then some, -why is the world designed around men? Why is work designed around people not caring for children when most humans will reproduce? The world is designed around men and it needs to change.

Jeez. Poor guy wants to learn more and eople jump down his throat. If I want to learn something, I ask an 'expert', I have conversations with people in the know, not because I see it as their job to educate me but I respect their knowledge and experience. It covers across on here as just another reason to have a go at a man.
If I wanted to educate myself about a disability (as an example), I'd ask either the person living with it or those closely related to the person. They can explain and educate way better than a book or online article.
I'd say I'm a feminist and want the things women on here want but just without seeing men as an enemy. I can see why feminists get a bad name.

Feminism is about freeing women from the oppression of the Patriarchy.

Not about treating everyone "equal".

The problem with treating everyone equally is that that unfairly pushes some disadvantaged people out. Eg, you can put stairs in a building, then everyone has to make it up the stairs. That's equal. But is it fair? That people who need to use a wheelchair definitely can't get access?

If I wanted to educate myself about a disability (as an example), I'd ask either the person living with it or those closely related to the person. They can explain and educate way better than a book or online article.

Do you not have any empathy, or the imagination to realise that perhaps they have other things to be doing than spending time educating you? Perhaps they would if they were feeling kind, or you were good friends, but why would you expect people on the internet to donate their time to you, just cos you fancy learning something about something?

Do you go up to lawyers or accountants and expect them to explain things to you in their free time? Or would you, perhaps recognise that here is value to their knowledge and book an appointment and pay them?

@Alexkate2468 would you go onto a forum for people discussing disability rights/activism, and as your opening post start a thread called "hello all. Non-disabled person here!"? And then go on to ask "what is the ultimate goal of disability rights activism? Or what does it mean to you?"?

I don't mind the question, but I understand why others do.

I think it is useful to discuss as well as read especially as there's an element of feminism meaning subtly different things to different people.

For me it is about equality of the sexes, that also means I personally feel I have a responsibility to contribute financially to the household so it isn't all on my husband as well as him having a responsibility to contribute to the running of our household. We are some way from fair balance on the running the household effort required but it is a partnership. Similarly childcare, he should be equally responsible.

The reality is although I've worked hard and did do better in my career for a while I reached a glass ceiling and he didn't.

It means not telling girls they shouldn't do stem careers and also not telling men that shouldn't be in caring professions. I profoundly dislike gendered toys as they perpetuate those stereotypes.

I would like to see more studies and effort put into reducing male violence and that reduction would benefit both sexes. Toxic masculinity isn't really working for men either. I'd like society to understand why so many men commit suicide and what can be done to reduce/prevent it, some of this seems to be tied to men feeling they need to be a type of man and not show weakness and that isn't working for them.

I'd like to see freedom for anyone to wear what they like without comment, if a man wants to dress flamboyantly go ahead and women who want to live in jeans and shirts should be allowed to do that without comment, (whilst accepting some jobs require a professional appearance but those standards should be the same for both sexes). My provisio here is I dislike it when some women and transwomen adopt a pornified view of what women should look like.

I'd like an end to sexual violence and if that isn't possible that it is taken more seriously, far too many women have been raped, abused and stalked and we've learnt reporting to the police or work can make the situation worse. (I've only reported one stalker to the police it was not a good experience, I've never reported any subsequent attacks and stalkers to the police, I also learnt reporting male colleague harassment at work was detrimental to my career prospects and not his so only reported that once).

And lastly but very much not least I'd like better medical attention on 'women's issues', our biology is different and those differences are often not looked after properly.

For all of the above I'd like it for women everywhere, I'm very much aware the situation for women elsewhere, particularly in countries like India is horrendous.

Do you work in finance OP?

Does talk of bees irritate you?

@Alexkate2468 thanks for your input. Good to see this thread is running on schedule. www.theonion.com/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-moveme-1819569515

I can see why feminists get a bad name.
5th rule of misogyny: Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

Men have no place in feminism. Stand back. Challenge the poor behaviour of men.

Leave women to self-organise and share experiences that might help us dismantle the male systems of violence oppressing

An introductory post into a clear majority woman section of the site, had i not mention i was a man i imagined most would think im a woman aswell. my intentions were simply to hear women's beliefs of feminism and learn a thing or two to lesson my ignorance on the subject. is it wrong for a man to want to know more about feminism ?

www.thecrimson.com/column/femme-fatale/article/2017/3/23/hu-beware-male-feminist/

I feel my post gotten out of hand, and i didnt want to insult or annoy anyone

Your intentions were to announce we were in the presence of a penis and to get the little women clamouring to educate you and congratulate you on being SO BWAVE AND SPESHUL with your equal rights for us girls. Your type pop up every so often.

You still haven’t said thank you to those who helped you.

Of course it's not wrong, Please, and TBH you're probably here at exactly the worst time when many of us are feeling under attack from people who want nothing more than to shut us down, and there are lots of new accounts springing up and posting on this board for rather nefarious purposes. So your timing sucks

Go and read some of the brilliant resources linked to on the thread, have a lurk around and think about what is being said by the (mostly) women on here.

Do you understand the principles of class analysis? If not, that's a good place to start in order to understand the discussions and theories

Have you listened? Do you recognise that to blunder in demanding an introduction to a topic that you won't even read about yourself first is rude and entitled?

Listening and reflecting are skills you need to work on.

Yes, it is frowned upon to come here professing total ignorance of the very thing that's discussed here, whether you're male or female. Don't let it get you down, if you're interested in it all you need to do is read up. How do you think every single person here earned their chops?

I guarantee you you can't spit without hitting a woman who has had multiple men earnestly ask her to explain feminism and take that as a cue to correct her wrongthinking. That discussion often leads to ugliness but I'm sure that won't happen here.

It isn't wrong to want to know more about feminism.

We would have realised you were a man even if you hadn't explicitly stated it 😂 If nothing else the lack of any thanks to those of us that took the time to write down our thoughts for you.

That is one aspect you ought to ponder on.

Go ask your mother whether she has had any disadvantages to being a woman, don't ask her if she is a feminist as some see that as a loaded question.

Although I'm now starting to wonder if you wanted to provoke us so you could screenshot how awful feminists were to you. I hope that wasn't your intention, I've not been posting on this board that long so may be I've been naive taking your request at face value 🙁

I think OP is getting a hard time here. His title says "am i welcome"

Think he's got his answer.

He's new. Give him a break.

bore, totally works in finance, dreams of 6 figures.

OlennasWimple ive not heard of the principles of class analysis so ill definitely have a read thanks. I mean i cant help the timing and i am lurking through old topics as well. Again im sorry to have annoyed i didnt post to do that..