How is endometriosis transphobic?

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I've just been to see a play about endometriosis - which was actually rather funny and much better than the subject matter suggests. As I was leaving someone said to me "gosh that was really transphobic". And I'm struggling to work out why, unless it was because it was about women's bodies and framing endo as a women's issue?

Is it really that simple? That talk of periods, ovaries, uteruses and hysterectomies is transphobic? I know we often take the piss about it a bit on here but to hear it said earnestly has me more than a bit

Existing while female = transphobic
Having womany troubles = omg, gross and transphobic

Fish Fingers are Fingers.

Check your privilege you FishPhobes.

I posted this information on another thread but seems relevant here.

These are main Gyny Cancer charities in the UK.
Having personally benefited from the work that they do despite chronic under funding, I think any sane person would object to them having to 're-brand' due to being 'transphobic'.

" Information on Cervical Cancer and Support for Women, Family and Friends Affected by Cervical Cancer. Jo's Trust Cervical Cancer Trust."

"We were set up to save women’s lives by funding ground-breaking research focused on developing effective methods of risk prediction, earlier detection and developing screening for these women-only cancers" The Eve Appeal

The national ovarian cancer charity working to save lives and help women* diagnosed live their lives to the full, wherever they live in the UK." Target Ovarian Cancer

"We’re Ovarian Cancer Action – a UK charity dedicated to beating the sixth most common cancer in women. We want to empower women, to give them a voice, and to create a better future for the thousands of mothers, partners, sisters, daughters and friends affected by this disease."

"Action on Womb Cancer (AWC) is a UK charity dedicated to raising awareness of womb cancer, also known as endometrial or uterine cancer.
Womb cancer is a gynaecological cancer. It is the fourth most common cancer in women, yet very little is known about it. Action on Womb Cancer is changing this."

"We were founded by women with ovarian cancer themselves and are therefore especially sensitive to the needs of women with this devastating diagnosis. We have been supporting women affected by ovarian cancer and their families since 1996." Ovacome

@DJLippy the NHS failure which meant 1000s of women didn't get their breast cancer screening happened in 2009 - it's only just come to light now. You might want to check who was in government then.

Endometriosis sounds misogynist to me

Yep.
Horrible condition that hurts only women.
Definitely not transphobic and sounds definitely more like misogyny to me!

Lol there really are some knob heads about.

R0wantrees

I can't help but give it a try...

"Information on Cervical Cancer and Support for people with cervixes Family and Friends Affected by Cervical Cancer. Jo's Trust Cervical Cancer Trust."

"We were set up to save people with cervixes lives by funding ground-breaking research focused on developing effective methods of risk prediction, earlier detection and developing screening for these people with cervixes and ovaries-only cancers" The Eve Appeal

"The national ovarian cancer charity working to save lives and help people with ovaries diagnosed with ovarian cancer live their lives to the full, wherever they live in the UK." Target Ovarian Cancer"

OK my brain hurts now.

The national ovarian cancer charity working to save lives and help people with ovaries diagnosed with ovarian cancer live their lives to the full, wherever they live in the UK

most women diagnosed with ovarian cancer have a radical hysterectomy which includes a bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy... so no, it definitely wouldn't work say 'people with ovaries'!

Of course
Should it be

"The national ovarian cancer charity working to save lives and help people who have/had ovaries diagnosed with ovarian cancer live their lives to the full, wherever they live in the UK"

That's very inclusive and sensitive to everyone right?

incredibly sensitive!! Except of course to those who have had these cancers though fortunately not everyone is affected.

or 'people born with ovaries or ovarian tissue and including those who may no longer have ovaries/ovarian tissue'....
Word salad, anyone?

Is it saying transwomen have imaginary endo or is it saying transmen have endo and by not referring to transmen you're transphobic?!?
Anyone would think people wanted to have endometriosis

Perhaps we will have to follow Prince's lead and become, 'the class formally known as women'?

The thing that's most ridiculous is going to watch something just to purposely be offended by it.
I mean, if you are such a delicate flower that you would be triggered by female biology, why the fuck would you go and watch this in the first place. It's not like you don't know what it will be about!

I also think that woman should not have to alter their language in things like this even if it might offend a trans man. If they have endo it is due to their FEMALE biology. If they want to chest feed etc and not use female terms, thats up to them but it should not be forced on the rest of us.

I wonder what symbol we could use for that @R0wantrees? And what could we wear instead of 'Rasberry Berets'?

Anything about female biology is transphobic.

Odd how seemingly nothing about male biology is transphobic

Lady penis. Celebrated.

Lady endemitriosis. Transphobic

This play was listed on Time Out and all the London theatre listings. The theatre has 28,000 twitter followers and an active Facebook page.

I've Googled and I cannot find a single comment on it by any trans person or trans supporter.

One person apparently heard one very stupid person say something stupid and it generates this level of hysteria. Oh and I don't care that "hysteria" is a banned word on here. I am using it in its colloquial sense and can't think of a better word.

I’m with Lass on this.

Lass you do know that some conversations aren't logged on the internet, don't you?

And it wasn't apparently said to one person, it was an exchange between 3 people, but by all means take umbrage at what you decide happened rather than a first hand account.

I am clearly invested in the women's rights/trans rights issue at the moment. If I want to start a thread about things that happen in the real world I have plenty of examples. I don't need to make anything up and I resent the insinuation from you here. Someone said, with their out loud voice, that they found the play transphobic. I cannot fathom how unless it's because it's about female biology. Hence the thread.

Lass I've heard other people whine about endometriosis being called a female issue. I had a massive argument online with someone once.

They’ll have endo soon, you just wait and see. And it’ll put all your endo to shame. It will be endo+.
Just like the one on fb who had a period. No blood mind, however blood is only ‘a minor part a period’.

LasWiADelicateAir

To be clear, I used the examples of Gyny charities to demonstrate that 'woman' had a clear meaning in this respect and made the point that I believe no 'sane' person would challenge this.

They are all wonderful charities, I hope more people support their work. Women's Gyny cancer needs better awareness and finance.

I think Rebecca Riley Cooper's questions have some relevance here:
rebeccarc.com/2018/01/14/some-basic-questions-about-sex-and-gender-for-progressives/
Some basic questions about sex and gender for progressives

1. Do you believe that being born with the kind of body that has the potential to gestate children – a body with a uterus, ovaries, and a vagina – is of any political significance? Does having that kind of body have any bearing on a person’s likely opportunities and outcomes?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies have historically been subject to any distinct forms of injustice, oppression, exploitation or discrimination? Have they historically been subordinated to the people with penises and testes?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies continue to be subject to any distinct forms of injustice, oppression, exploitation or discrimination?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies often suffer physical and sexual violence, abuse and harassment perpetrated by the people with penises and testes?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies ought to have a label with which to define themselves? Does our language need a word to refer to the people with uteruses and ovaries?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies have a right to organise politically around their shared experiences, and to campaign and work for policies to secure their own interests?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies have a right to associate freely with other people with those kinds of bodies, and to have some separate spaces for their safety, privacy and dignity? Do people with those kinds of bodies have a right to some spaces where people with penises and testes are not permitted to enter?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies sometimes have a right to policies and resources designated towards rectifying their historical and continued marginalisation and oppression?

If your answer to any of these questions is “yes”, you should reject the ideology of gender identity, and policy proposals based on that ideology such as the self-declaration of legal gender.

I am currently breathing while femaling. I suspect it is transphobic.

To be clear, I used the examples of Gyny charities to demonstrate that 'woman' had a clear meaning in this respect and made the point that I believe no 'sane' person would challenge this

And those charities are being shut down are they? Your post is scare- mongering.