For all 'birthing people'

[Pratchet]

Here is a survey on the terms used during your care and which you prefer

I filled it in, putting "other" and the original word for every question. And finished with comments that I am female and should be able to talk about myself any way I like. Forcing me to use terms I'm unhappy with is exclusionary and bigoted.

I wonder will they include it, or chuck it in the "falls outside the parameters of this study" pile

They didn't ask me where I was from.

As great as a vaginal chamber sounds, I prefer mine to be called a vaginal cathedral. Does this mean I'm tax exempt?

"Gender outlaw"!

Ironic that they accuse feminists of 'reducing women to their anatomy', when they've twisted things so that the only way to refer to women is by their anatomy.

I’m a midwife and I will guarantee you that I will NEVER refer to a woman as a ‘person with labia’ or to breastfeeding as ‘chest feeding’

But if the pregnant person you were caring for was a Trans Identifying Female (FTM) they might request you do refer to them as a "labouring man" who after the birth wanted to "chest feed".

That's what I thought this link was about, midwives deciding on terms to address pregnant Trans men who, in spite of giving birth, don't want to be reminded of their female biology.

That's why I wondered on the use of womb as opposed to uterus. However, I understand now that's linked to Brexit so all's well with the world

Wet myself laughing at vaginal chamber and vaginal cathedral. Because mine unfortunately is more like a deflated bouncy castle.

That's what I thought this link was about, midwives deciding on terms to address pregnant Trans men who, in spite of giving birth, don't want to be reminded of their female biology.

I read it as considering what terms to use to address all pregnant females, in order to avoid upsetting the miniscule number of transmen who get pregnant but may not want to be reminded that they remain female.

'Two pounds and a box of Quality Street and someone says womb'

I would love to know what the UK Association of Radical Midwives make of all this .

The Facebook link wasn't accessible when I saw it on twitter, so glad you managed to get a copy.

The new names for midwives that are coming up on twitter are quite funnny

mobile.twitter.com/emily_zinos/status/986103633023561729

@JellySlice - you're right. I read it properly this time. 😡

BMacklin it's still a castle, get yourself moat or perhaps a nice tapestry.

Ooooooooh this got me SO MAD

@TinLizzy Yes. What did you put?

I don't get the difference between vaguna and vaginal cavity and vaginal whatever. Surely if you're bizarrely offended by one, you'd be offended by all of them.

All this pussy footing around certain men who, suddenly, after 100s of years of oppression, want a vagina and get upset if anyone mentions their own vaginas, is really starting to get on my biological tits!

I think I put flaps for that one.

I completed the survey and explained that I find the term "pregnant and birthing people" problematic.

So presumably there’s a follow up survey from medical staff that treat prostate issues and give vasectomies etc. of their patients’ preferred terms?

E.g do you prefer:

Penis
Cock
Dick
Willy
Vlad the impaler
Lady stick
Gender-neutral stick
Ralph
Other

No? Oh only women who cant use the accepted names for their body parts? I see.

It always makes me laugh that midwives say ‘birth canal’ it was the vagina on the way in, it is still the vagina on the way out!

You would think that if they were trying so hard to be inoffensive with language they wouldn't use brainstorm...

apples I had never really thought of it that way....

How can this be anything other than misogyny? We're not allowed to call our body parts by their correct names in case a tiny minority of people get triggered? I have things that trigger me every damn day but whatevs, that's my problem.

The truth is, it's our actual body parts themselves that trigger these people and that's why they want to change their names, to make us disappear.

I recently had my first child and am still in awe of what my body can do. No fucker is telling me what my own biology can and cannot be called.

If we're talking 'vaginal chambers' and head-torches, perhaps midwives (midpersons???) ought to be re-named 'spelunkers'.

Yes, where is the survey regarding medical terms used when treating male patients?

Seems no one is bothered about upsetting transmen, i.e. women. Better not to rock the boat with “real men”, eh?

I'm so angry I can hardly type.

I've been a MN "lurker" for about a month now, but I cannot let this one go. I'm incensed. Talk about triggering...

I'm a physician in the US. I can't even begin to enumerate the multiple problems I have with the suggestion that medical terminology and anatomy be changed to be "inclusive."

Also...I'll never forget the night I was busy trying to admit a very sick baby to the NICU as a resident. In the midst of stabilizing this infant, we got word that his mother had just died in the ICU from an amniotic fluid embolism, leaving this baby and his two siblings motherless. This is MATERNAL mortality and it happens every day all over the planet. And it does not happen to men.

And to think this comes from a midwifery program. Does midwife not mean "with woman?"