For all 'birthing people'

[Pratchet]

Here is a survey on the terms used during your care and which you prefer

As a chestfeeding person with a labia, I would be absolutely mortified to hear my vagina chamber called anything else

I heard someone on the radio this morning referring to 'women without vaginas'. I was half sleep so didn't catch the context. My brain has been trying to figure it out.

The survey comes from here www.facebook.com/ColoradoMidwivesAssociation/

@Pratchet

My apologies: it's not UK but Colorado. God forbid it ever comes here. I'll request MN to move this to feminism.

No problem, @Pratchet - we're moving this over to Feminism Chat now.

I find it odd that they have assumed that students of medicine would have problems full stop with words like "ovary" or "cervix".

I have to hope this is a piss-take but who knows.

Why are people spending time and money on this, when all you need to do is make a clear note in all guidance that in the rare circumstance of dealing with a non-binary person or trans man, ask them what terms they would be comfortable with. That's all.

I've filled it in with comments. I selected "other" for everything and put it the original definition then commented at the end.

This has me incensed.

I was filled with an overwhelming urge to fill it in with stuff like "cunt" "flaps" "devils dumplings" etc etc

But I won't.

I heard someone on the radio this morning referring to 'women without vaginas' So is that the unfortunate woman that has had to have extensive surgery following cancer, accident or other misfortune? Or another sort of woman?

There is a rare condition where women can be born without vaginas (I mean not men - women without vaginas) -

I read an article about a woman who had this a couple of years back.

Maybe it meant that.

“Vaginal chamber” would explain why the nurse that was doing an internal on me had a torch strapped to her head. I did wonder if she was going pot holing... apparently she was! Who knew?

That's an intersex condition. Androgen insensitivity can lead to XY people being born in all purposes female appearing, except for lacking in a vagina / ovaries.

A person with this could be absolutely described as a "women without a vagina" and I wonder how intersex people feel about once more being appropriated by transgender ideology.

(To Kitt )

They feel angry and pissed off and want them to stop doing it, is my understanding.

It's bullshit isn't it when "women without a vagina" do actually exist but these are not the people being referred to in the trans debate where
"Women without a vagina" is actually "person with a penis" which is completely different.

WTF is gender outlaw?! Is it an identity involving cowboy hats, robbing banks and dueling with sheriffs?

You have to question the mental stability of people who are so fucking traumatised and triggered by words describing basic female biology.

Why would a trans man even want to be pregnant if they hated their female body so much they couldn't even call a uterus a uterus?

Why is uterus bad but womb good? Am I missing something? I

I want to be a gender outlaw - it sounds fun

I don't think it's "uterus bad, womb good" I think it's the medical term first and any alternatives they could think of subsequently. Presumably they couldn't think of anything else other than womb for uterus. Maybe I should have suggested "baby cave", as leading on from the vaginal chamber.

I filled it in. Where it said comments I politely informed them that they are wasting their time. People are not going to change their language to suit a tiny minority.

Berkin - uterus is Latin, womb Old English. I think as we move to Brexit we should be making sure our language reflects Taking Back Control

I don't understand why using medical terminology such as cervix should be problematic. It directly refers to a specific part of the body that exists. Saying it exists does not diminish the personhood of someone who has not got one unless they are a narcissist who needs everything to be about them.
Also, my father has breast cancer and the part of the tissue which was cancerous was the breast tissue, not specifically the mammary ducts as I don't think he was lactating. Language used in medicine is usually precise enough. These suggested changes are obfuscatory actually.

I've just done another one. For vagina I put 'sugar walls' , for uterus I put 'magical baby nurterer'. I urge everyone to fill this survey in, and be imaginative ladies !

I'm tempted to fill it in with terms like 'boobies' and 'front botty' and add a comment that as I identify as a seven year old all this grown-up medical stuff is confusing and scary to me.

Ffs I will never be 'a person with ovaries', I'm a woman! And TRAs claim focusing on body parts and genitals is fetishistic and reductive

Apparently only vulva and vaginal canal are female genitalia. So I'm imagining that I have a clitoris and labia, too?