They go low we go high....

[loveyouradvice]

Would it be a good idea to use this in FULL... i.e.

they go low we go high rather than tglwgh....

I think we are in danger of making people feel excluded rather than welcomed into a growing group of people....

Im keen to be as inclusive as possible and avoid acronyms etc so that anyone feels they can join a discussion and know what's being said....

I think that’s a good idea Love

Have seen lots of people asking what the acronym means so obviously it’s an issue, doesn’t take much more time to type it out

good point, well made.

Good idea. I don't even know if they have hidden the acronyms now. I found it much easier when they were just at the top of the page

I meant where

I agree. It's going to confuse and at worst exclude people otherwise

I agree. It's really important that discussions in FWR are accessible to all, and not hidden behind cliquey language and acronyms.

I suspect with the recent publicity there will be more and more new folk visiting who may be unfamiliar with both MN and FWR, and I think we should, as far as possible, write with them in mind.

FWR = feminism and women's rights

Lol! Good call. I'll try and remember.

I agree. I was only offline for a weekend and came back to it all over the place and was a bit

I agree. Posts with the acronym are always followed by at least 2-3 others asking what it means.

Same here ShotsFired

I was googling too and just got a load of rubbish.

Yes!

I get that TGLWGH is a good idea in theory.

But in practice it got me beaten up fairly regularly at school.

How do you avoid being the better person getting walked over by the bully?

Toss if we don't go high we are in danger of losing this space

Toss if we don't go high we are in danger of losing this space

And in danger of losing the argument. If we can't argue without resorting to personal insults etc we have lost the argument. The only way to win people over is by calm unemotional repetition of the actual facts.

I just listened to the discussion between India Willoughby and Justine Roberts on the radio. IW sounded unreasonable, shouty and bullying. JR sounded reasonable, measured and calm.

That will win in the end.

FWR = feminism and women's rights

Thanks - been meaning to ask this!!

Can you get the title amended to include 'acronyms' and make this an explanatory thread? There's probably a few people around who'd like to ask

Good idea Upstart! Here's some common ones that came to the top of my head from this board.

TRA = Trans Rights Activist/Transgender Rights Activist
TERF = Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist (considered a slur)
GC = Gender Critical
TIM/F = Trans Identifying Male/Female
GRA = Gender Recognition Act
EA = Equalities Act (2010)

Any others?

GNC = Gender Non Conforming.

Also worth adding that TRAs use

AFAB / AMAB to mean assigned female / male at birth. I know unlikely to be used on these boards but still good to recognise when reading in the wider field.

But I agree and love your advice, loveyouradvice

WAWAG
What about women and girls ☺

I was hoping to see a post about how the radio interview with IW went, but there doesn't seem to be a thread.

I just saw MrsTerry mention it upthread, and said the other person was Justine! That's wonderful!!

Does anyone have a bit of a run down on how it went?

Secrets
Here you go
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3223362-Ooh-step-back-India-Willoughby-is-going-to-penetrate-the-Mumsnet-debate?pg=1&order=

@CircleSquareCircleSquare Thank you!!