How to complain about Mumsnet

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Just in case anyone wanted to complain about MN literally killing thousands of people....this tweeter gives a full cut n paste of what to say:

https://twitter.com/susanlarsonn_tn/status/985569181545517057?s=21

Conversely, if the TRAs win in the UK that will also have wider implications, so it's important to stop it here. Which is why there are women in many other parts of the world paying attention to what happens in the UK and trying to help as and where they can.

I agree, we can't be complacent. It is utterly chilling to see how this ideology has become dominant in so much of the western world. I am considering how best I can contribute to this. As a scientist, I think perhaps raising awareness in the scientific community. From what I can see, most people think trans = transexual. That's the problem. They are not aware of the trans umbrella and all these charlatans appropriating the experiences of transsexual people.

Theirs is such a paradoxical argument.

Feminists: We're using our right to free speech to say X.

TRAs/MRAs: We're using our right to free speech to try and stop feminists from saying X. If you see any problem with that then you don't believe in free speech!

Free speech is where men get to threaten to kill women and women get banned from Twitter for telling them to go to hell, apparently.

I wonder if Susan is following this thread - possibly incandescent with rage.

Almost all other feminist/progressive sites run complete censorship on this issue.

And yet there are tons and tons of non feminist sites where the trans topic comes up and pages and pages of men take it apart and laugh at it. Noone is telling them to 'go high', pronouns aren't being policed, it isn't heretical to ask questions or dismiss the nonsense outright. Men are allowed to talk about this.

What sort of precedent would it set to delist Mumsnet because on rare occasions someone says something that someone who isn't even a member is offended by, and then it has slipped through the net on an aging thread, unreported?

Where would that leave the comments section at the Times or any other online news source? What would that mean for Twitter or Tumblr or WordPress? How about 4chan or Kiwi Farms? They are all google-able. What about porn sites that happily host what they call 'tr*y porn and 'sheles' or 'chks with d*ks'? Bet there are plenty of those listed.

What precedent would it set to punish a largely female site where the topics were largely about parenting and everyday issues, where so many women are speaking about how much they value the information and advice and support here, but leave all of the above sites (and so many more) alone? This place obviously has a high value to advertisers - are they gonna sit back quietly and watch their opportunities disappear, knowing the women here will never forget it if they do?

What's interesting is that TRAs are presumably aware that Kiwi Farms, for example, exists and is not at all nice about them. And yet no effort to shut that site down.

Part of that is that a commercial site that survives on ad revenue is more vulnerable to commercial pressure being applied, but part of it is also that misogynists can't stand the idea of women not doing what we're told.

Yes I'm not complacent by any means, but am inclined to agree with Rosenberg that the implications would be huge worldwide if it happened. And it would be a massive international news story about the overreach of social engineering.

I think they have tried to shut KF down. Clearly unsuccessfully.

Yes to all the above. It's all about women speaking outwith male supervision and control. That's what they can't stand - and how they equate it with womanhood is utterly beyond me.

Conversely, if the TRAs win in the UK that will also have wider implications, so it's important to stop it here
Kittens yes true agree very much

MN has been compared to K1wifarms.

What sort of precedent would it set to delist Mumsnet because on rare occasions someone says something that someone who isn't even a member is offended by, and then it has slipped through the net on an aging thread, unreported?

Quite - they would definitely have to go for 4Chan, then Kiwi Farms, Reddit what about the numerous male forums?

(and I just noticed Rosenberg has mentioned them above me)

To target a site predominantly concerned with support for women (and some men) on parenting, relationships, having children with specific needs isn't the best look. Still we have to take it a little seriously because of the number of TiMs in the IT/Social Media world.

"What sort of precedent would it set to delist Mumsnet because on rare occasions someone says something that someone who isn't even a member is offended by, and then it has slipped through the net on an aging thread, unreported?"

this

"What precedent would it set to punish a largely female site where the topics were largely about parenting and everyday issues, where so many women are speaking about how much they value the information and advice and support here, but leave all of the above sites (and so many more) alone? This place obviously has a high value to advertisers - are they gonna sit back quietly and watch their opportunities disappear, knowing the women here will never forget it if they do?"

And this

What is KiwiFarms?

I'm sure there is some overlap in readership because of this issue but MN is nothing like KF!

MN has been compared to K1wifarms.

MN is nothing, absolutely nothing like Kiwifarms and I'm sure the people who post on there would agree. The purposes of both sites are worlds apart, anyone drawing that parallel is being deliberately disingenuous and provocative.

What is KiwiFarms? blush

As far as I can tell it was originally started to follow one particular person who was living their life on the internet and doing some dubious things - they mocked them and reported on their activities and still do. It expanded to mock all those who play out their drama on sites like YouTube, tumblr etc. and those who abuse that 'fame' to get money out of people. They mock, post screen shots and more or less record what people do before it gets deleted.And they laugh at them, I guess. It can be a very harsh site and unsurprisingly a lot of extreme TRAs are commented on there, that said if the person hasn't said it online it can't be shown in a screen shot - so there's that.

Mumsnet is a site of fluffy bunnies in a cotton wool nest floating on clouds in comparison to Kiwifarms.

anyone drawing that parallel is being deliberately disingenuous and provocative.

I can well believe that TRAs would though.

That's what they can't stand - and how they equate it with womanhood is utterly beyond me.

The ultimate in womanhood is making other women shut up? It's hard to imagine operating with that level of cognitive dissonance, gives me a migraine just trying.

I know. It's so blatant how they themselves don't expect to be treated like women, and that no one actually treats them like they treat women.

Tech companies increasingly control the world, and trans-identified males are hugely overrepresented in IT. It only takes one influential TIM at Google to completely shut down women's free speech. And they need to shut it down, because open discussion exposes this anti-woman, anti-child, anti-reality ideology for what it is: the new patriarchal state-enforced religion.

That is terrifying.

I agree that we shouldnt be complacent, but we should also think about how the rest of the Web (and Mumsnet advertisers) might react to a threat of a discussion forum of this size (and non-threatening membership) being delisted because some pompous non member made a big fuss. There would be a lot of unexpected allies on Mumsnet's side, I'd think.

I can well believe that TRAs would though.

Absolutely, it is the M.O of many of them.

Mumsnet is really rattling cages

Good. The more we rattle cages, the better.