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TyneTeas · 11/04/2018 00:15

Posting this to see if it shows up in Active threads

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3218304-Some-topics-not-showing-up-in-searches

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AngryAttackKittens · 12/04/2018 09:16

Feminism is catching, wouldn't want everyone to contract it!

Maryz · 12/04/2018 09:42

How many of us would be totally unaware of these issues had they not come across them by accident via "Active"?

I certainly wouldn't.

I had FWR hidden for years - but that was my choice. Having it forcibly hidden from all new mumsnetters seems (at best) odd and (at worst) censorship.

I'm hugely disappointed by this step - and even more disappointed that it was forced on us with no discussion.

AnitaLovesVictor · 12/04/2018 09:47

I think they are going to review in a week.

The people who are attacking MN have been rallied on twitter - and I'd guess are not the sort of users who are going to stick around for the parking threads, baby talk and recipes.

The users that post on here a lot, and thus see the advertising, rack up the page views, are the ones that generate revenue for MN.

MountainWitch · 12/04/2018 11:59

I would know very little about this issue of it weren't for MN.

I understand they are under pressure but it feels like we are being penned in.

AnitaLovesVictor · 12/04/2018 12:19

They want to stop us talking, because they know we've got a point. And they know that when we talk, we are raising awareness of the erosion of women's rights, and our right to use meaningful language.

Policing the tone is fine, I think we can all do what we can to not be deliberately goady or whatever - but that's not enough for the TRAs. They want us shutdown. I hope HQ stay strong on this.

R0wantrees · 12/04/2018 12:24

I think its vital that the bigger picture is considered at all times... some TRAs have strategies which have been used very effectively to shut down and #nodebate. Twitter has and still is been 'gamed' by some. focus is currently on MN, we all need consider how best to continue to keep discussions open in the short term for the good of the the long term!

R0wantrees · 12/04/2018 12:49

Just put 'mumsnet' into search on a completely open twitter account and you'll see the nature of complaints / tactics etc. I'm not suggesting involvement there but more people posting here need to understand better what's going on...

OvaHere · 12/04/2018 13:03

I just searched #mumsnet and scrolled back through about a weeks worth. I only found about 3 threads about transphobia and they were all one or two people talking to themselves with few or no retweets or likes. They were tagging major sponsors but people with hardly any followers or traction aren't going to be taken notice of.

Am I missing something or searching the wrong hashtag?

sorenipples · 12/04/2018 14:47

As a regular lurker I thought FWR had gone quiet as I wasn't seeing anything in active. Done the suggested search and am shocked at what's going on.

What can I do? I am considering emailing the targeted companies expressing my support for MN allowing freedom of discussion on these important issues* which have potential to massively adversely impact my children.

I want to do something constructive, as opposed to, say noting who current sponsors are and boycotting them if they withdraw, as I suspect this will have a long term detrimental impact on MN and could be an own goal.

*issues in question which I strongly believe we should be free to discuss are the loss of language to describe the female biological state and therefore potential loss of any necessary provisions for it and the enforcement of gender stereotypes particularly on children. I do not want to deny trans people their human rights and they should be free to present how they wish without discrimination. Where biological sex does not matter it doesn't matter, but where it does it does!

BlackeyedSusan · 12/04/2018 15:26

As an aside.... Advertising.... I want a bespoke traditional veranda....

Shame I live in a second floor flat.

But yes, it is the long term posters who see the ads more often.

flowersonthepiano · 12/04/2018 15:26

@OvaHere I just typed in mumsnet without the hashtag and got loads of stuff including a screen shot of a conversation including me as one of the first items..maybe it's the hashtag?

ReluctantCamper · 12/04/2018 18:08

I did an incognito search on mumsnet on twitter. it's just the same nutcases going round and round in their echo chamber.

If that's what's put the wind up MNHQ then their disposition is considerably weaker than I thought.

I wonder if something else is at play here.

OnTheList · 12/04/2018 18:14

I doubt hiding feminism threads from active will make a difference, they specifically search FWR for stuff to report/tweet.

However I am very grateful to MN for continuing to allow debate, even though it does feel quite censored right now. I cannot imagine the pressure they are under, I mean, Millwall said it was like nothing they had ever seen before, David Davies said the same...and MN will have been under attack for a lot longer than both of those. And it will probably get worse too, as MN has been instrumental in getting self-ID out there to the wider public.

sorenipples · 12/04/2018 18:21

Yes. I had a look on the supermarket under its hashtag. No big campaign, lost in complaints about toilet cleanliness and issues about on line delivery (amongst other things).

Lurk mode resumed.

AnitaLovesVictor · 12/04/2018 18:28

When you check down the twitter feeds - it really is a tight knot of very vocal transactivists posting multiple times.

Same as when they got We Need to Talk's meeting shut down at Millwall - by deluging them with e-mails/phonecalls. Someone tweeted "I've run 3 times, using different voices and numbers" ( Confused ) "and I'll ring again tomorrow.

ChattyLion · 13/04/2018 09:31

They’re just narcissistic bullies. How do we stop bullying? Call it out. Not silence those it’s affecting. Ugh.
This board is are a lot quieter now. Is that good for advertisers given families and women are a huge market for them? Confused

LassWiADelicateAir · 13/04/2018 10:25

How many of us would be totally unaware of these issues had they not come across them by accident via "Active"?

I never look at "Active". I was on MN for ages before I even discovered "Active" existed. "

I'm not really getting what the angst is- the forum has a long list of topics. I looked at them and found the ones I am interested in.

"Active" at the moment has heaps of threads I have no interest in.

MsMcWoodle · 13/04/2018 10:31

I am one of those people who would have had no idea what was happening if I hadn't seen posts in 'Active'.

LassWiADelicateAir · 13/04/2018 10:32

As a regular lurker I thought FWR had gone quiet as I wasn't seeing anything in active. Done the suggested search and am shocked at what's going on

So you know FWR exists- Why do you need spoon feeding to look at it?

ChattyLion · 13/04/2018 10:40

I am as well.

This (self ID) is an issue that needs highlighting. And FWR covers various different issues than self ID.

Why shouldn’t it show up in active when people are talking about anything on FWR?

Even if we were talking about something that wasn’t really important, it seems odd that talk on a whole topic board would not show up in active without there having been an explanation from MN.

Are they under such pressure that they don’t feel able to say what pressure they have been under and say what the rules are now? This seems worrying.

(It’s clearly different and helpful where the regulars on the board have had problems and asked for that specific topic NOT be showing in active..)

ChattyLion · 13/04/2018 10:41

I meant, I came to FWR the same as MsMc

sorenipples · 13/04/2018 11:15

Hi lass. To answer your question as to why I "need spoon feeding" to access FWR.

Clearly I don't need active to check FWR exists! I do however tend to look at it to get a feel of what the hot topics are across the forums. I don't just read FWR! I started off in property/diy having been directed there from Google. Like many other posters it is active that led me here.

Now I know FWR is removed from active I will come here directly. This doesn't stop me being concerned about the underlying motivation and the impact of the change.

GoodyMog · 13/04/2018 11:31

"I never look at "Active". I was on MN for ages before I even discovered "Active" existed. "

I'm not really getting what the angst is- the forum has a long list of topics. I looked at them and found the ones I am interested in."

I came into MN via the TTC threads and mostly stuck to that at first, then - being used to other forums - I figured the general chat board would have the most traffic, and I was mostly here to waste time/be entertained. So I stayed there for a long time, it's busy enough there that I don't think I'd have ventured on to any other boards if it wasn't for Active threads.

Just because you don't use Active doesn't mean others don't.

LassWiADelicateAir · 13/04/2018 11:37

I really don't understand what the big deal is about hot topics across the forums

There are a list of threads subject matter.I assumed one looked at the list and selected the subjects one is interested in.

For example no matter how much of a "hot topic" any of property, trying to conceive, education, diy, relationships might be on "Active" they are of no interest to me.

GoodyMog · 13/04/2018 11:40

That's fair enough, but that's not how everyone uses the forum. I'd assume that if most people used the forum like you do then Active would get little to no traffic and MNHQ would have dropped it entirely.