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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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TyneTeas · 11/04/2018 00:15

Posting this to see if it shows up in Active threads

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3218304-Some-topics-not-showing-up-in-searches

OP posts:
ChattyLion · 11/04/2018 09:24

Pomph FWR always reminds me of those 1930s train companies’ posters. Grin

‘See the sun and feel fresh breezes at Women’s Liberation via FWR’

BoreOfWhabylon · 11/04/2018 09:29

It's not 'most active' any more though. It was changed to 'trending' some time ago. Trending is the threads with the most hits, not most recent posts.

It's why threads that had been pulled still get appear i. trending as people click the title, only to find that there is no thread, eg MMC title still in trending right now although thread was pulled about half an hour ago.

LostArt · 11/04/2018 09:39

‘See the sun and feel fresh breezes at Women’s Liberation via FWR’

Grin

I assumed op meant 'active threads' where new threads appear, rather than the most active/trending box on the desktop?

PompholyxOfUnknownOrigin · 11/04/2018 09:55

Chatty Grin

seekingsun · 11/04/2018 09:59

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3218304-Some-topics-not-showing-up-in-searches

MNHQ have confirmed this is a deliberate change

MsMcWoodle · 11/04/2018 10:04

I've noticed this for a long time re FWR. I think that we should give mumsnet a break about this. I can understand why they don't want Active threads to be swamped, even though I think this is so important.

LangCleg · 11/04/2018 10:28

MNHQ is trying to reduce the influx of goady people trying to provoke angry responses with the end aim of stopping the gender critical debate on FWR. They're doing their best to protect us. A good thing, I think.

AnitaLovesVictor · 11/04/2018 10:36

That's fair enough. I thought it might be that.

AbsintheFriends · 11/04/2018 10:42

This thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3218790-what-s-your-gender-light-hearted?pg=1 is about to be pulled. I can understand just about understand why - it's an illustration of the pressure MNHQ are under - but it makes me angry.

I'm not coming at this issue from an academic POV, but as the mother of teenage daughters. The absurdity of the influences they are under is truly disturbing, and threads like that help navigate uncharted waters while retaining some semblance of humour and with the reassurance of not being alone.

Parenting teenagers has never been easy. It's harder now than ever. I started posting on these boards as a result of the divisions gender identity issues had opened up in my family, and I hate that a source of support is being shut down, because (I assume) of intimidation and threat.

AbsintheFriends · 11/04/2018 10:43

(Not angry with MNHQ, I should add. Angry with those using intimidation to bully and silence.)

PrinceButthole · 11/04/2018 10:48

When I first go to Mumsnet.com the trending box will show a few FWR threads (everytime I think) but then when I click in to actual MN chat threads it turns to other non FWR threads. Anyone else get that?

LangCleg · 11/04/2018 10:50

Oh, that's sad about the silly thread. No satire Sad. But bless MNHQ for using #TGLWGH.

AnitaLovesVictor · 11/04/2018 10:57

It's already been said, but I've got a feeling MNHQ have been under horrific pressure to quash our discussions here. We know the sort of pressure tactics TRA use, have used against women. Visits from police, threats, doxxing. I do applaud MNHQ for standing up for it's users.

BlackeyedSusan · 11/04/2018 11:35

Sen threads are deliberately kept out of active.

AbsintheFriends · 11/04/2018 12:28

It was a lighthearted thread, but it was completely impersonal and objective, and, like lots of satire it made a serious point. Or specifically, SexMatters did. The thread is gone now (but I still have it open in a different window Grin) and SM's post is worth repeating (though this isn't really the right place for it - apologies for that) for anyone with troubled teens currently caught up in all this.

MNHQ, I assume that the thread deletion is a symptom of increasing pressure so please zap this if there's anything problematic here. Continued gratitude and respect for providing this platform in such difficult circumstances.

Although this thread is lighthearted that diagram suggests seductive superstitious thinking like horoscopes or numerology embraced by young people who lack direction and aren't sure of 'what' they are supposed to be. Saying "I am an Aries so I am competitive and like red". Or "We are compatible because both our names add up to the number nine."

It suggests how lost young people are that they would use a ridiculous map like that to navigate the complex and trecherous social world of personality and relationships. The OP makes a serious point of 'not knowing when to transition' - because it seems 'taking T' has replaced whether to get your first piercing or tattoo.

Although they would really benefit from feminist thought young women have been systematically prevented from getting to it, with males heading up feminist groups, and encouraging them to use 'terfblockers' and to get feminists books removed from the library. It's a tragedy

Ekphrasis · 11/04/2018 12:57

I didn't read a lot of the comments but I found the info graphic really difficult to deal with batty and had feelings that SM put into words much better than I could.

I'm so, so grateful I was a teen in the 90s, pre internet, and could wear what the boys wore (dms, checked shirt, ripped jeans) but embroider my jeans if I wished to and watch Star Trek, climb trees, and ride horses, exactly as my male cousins did, without analysing which bloody category I was in.

It was as simple as Nirvana or New Kids. Some kids got picked on for wearing reeboks over Nike I think but I was fairly oblivious and couldn't care less.

I think the post could have been worded better to avoid goadiness but was quite important.

AnitaLovesVictor · 11/04/2018 23:55

I'm very grateful for the growing up in the 80s & 90s. Things seemed freer then. Like we could do anything we wanted - and anything we wanted didn't include puberty blockers, surgery, and people bullying their way into the women's toilets, or women's sports etc.

Although I haven't pushed it at all, I'm grateful my children are fairly gender conforming, and haven't seemed to get into the trans/genderqueer/non binary stuff.

Can it be as simple as the next generation pushing the (already very free) boundaries of the last??

AnitaLovesVictor · 11/04/2018 23:56

I'm still convinced that 'follow the money' has relevance here.

Private gender clinics, puberty blockers, sex hormones, surgery - someone's making money out of this trend.

Maryz · 12/04/2018 00:53

Those who want all the Trans threads hidden away in their own topic have won.

Not only are they confined to one topic (FWR), they have been hidden en masse from the rest of the board.

It's a pity. I genuinely thought MN would retain this space to talk about issues that cannot be discussed elsewhere, but it seems they've been got at persuaded not to allow it.

AnitaLovesVictor · 12/04/2018 00:55

They deleted the Boston Marathon thread today, and I think one other too.

I think they're being hit with the full force of TRA threats tbh, which can't be nice for them.

Maryz · 12/04/2018 01:00

Yep, the "what gender are you" one - deleted with the single word "goady".

There has been a policy change Sad

BlackeyedSusan · 12/04/2018 01:02

yes it is a shame they had to be hidden from the general boards, but that does not stop people starting therads over there, even if loads of people moan. People start christmas threads in august on AIBU, posting for traffic but not aibu, etc etc...

I think it is a shame that it has had to come to the point where mnhq think it is best that it is hidden, and one wonders what has gone on in the background to mean they come to this decision. I suspect they are under a lot of pressure.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 12/04/2018 08:11

I am sure they have been under a lot of pressue.

That's no reason to cave. MN is staffed by women and they stand to lose their right just like the rest of us.

I do appreciate MN as a space to debate.

It brings me to wonder though - is there anywhere that women can debate this freely without being made to feel 'grateful'?

I fully understand that MN is a commercial body not a public one.

So where in public can woman actually debate this ?

I honestly don't recognise the country I'm living in anymore. Or maybe I was just fooling myself all these years

ReluctantCamper · 12/04/2018 09:11

Yeah, I know MNHQ are under a lot of pressure but this feels like censorship tbh.

I'll be interested to see how long it goes on for. A site run primarily by and for women where the feminist threads are muted?

Hmm
ReluctantCamper · 12/04/2018 09:13

Christ, when a movement wants to silence people who believe in equality what does that tell you?

When someone tells you what they're like, listen.