Ian Huntly

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The daily star is apparently reporting that Ian Huntley is now going by 'Nicola'.
Jeremy Vine has tweeted it so it might be covered on his show tomorrow.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that IH would get away with that, all things considered.

Give the man counselling, possibly, but nothing more.

Or a prescription for a permanent solution. By that, I don't mean carte blanche to transition.

I've been chatting about Huntley and the wider phenomena of sex offenders who want to transition. Does anyone recall the numbers/proportion of sex offenders who identify as trans? I remember it being surprisingly high in comparison to the wider public

I think it is around fifty percent of TIMs in prison who are sex offenders

Ahh, I was thinking backwards! It's not the proportion of sex offenders who are trans, it's the proportion of TIM who are imprisoned for sex offences.

I think it is around fifty percent of TIMs in prison who are sex offenders

Someone was talking about that statistic - and was saying that trans people (or people who claim to be trans whilst in jail) are more likely to be put in jails that are for sex offenders for their own protection.

That is an interesting point. I know that I have seen studies posted, so I'm hoping someone will have a link that makes things clear.

I don’t think there are specific prisons for sex offenders?

There are, Vix.

Hopefully someone will be able to clarify then.

@CircleSquareCircleSquare Men can literally kill children and people will look for an excuse to sympathize.

Through google I now know that there are EIGHT male prisons solely for men convicted of sexual crimes. How depressing is that. I had no idea.
Anyway, I had read the stats on TIM sex offenders in the Times, with a breakdown on the Fair Play for Women site. Sorry am on new tablet and can’t work out how to do a link . If I work it out I will post them .

Hopefully someone will be able to clarify then.

I don't think so, unfortunately. There was only confirmation that trans identified males were in the sex offender prisons, not whether they had been put there as non sex offenders. I think it's unlikely that applies to the majority though.

Cross post.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/

These figures are talking about trans gender males who are in prison and states about half are in Category A prison or prisons associated with sex offenders.

Someone said that trans prisoners might be housed in sex offender prison areas for their own safety. I just don't know.

I think we need special facilities for trans prisoners. Not talking about Huntly, not taking this seriously for him.

Sorry cross posted.

But with self id surely everyone would have to be taken seriously, the people with dysphoria along with the men who commit sex crimes and want more access to women ?

@SirVixofVixHall indeed. That is the scary but! (but for the record I meant firbthe purposes of this thread.)

In addition to the eight prisons solely for sex offenders ( ), most - or maybe all - prisons will have facilities for vulnerable prisoners. They may be deemed vulnerable because of who they are (ex-police, for example), what they have done (paedophiles, for example) or their assessed risk of self-harm or suicide. I wouldn't be surprised if almost all TIM prisoners were assessed to need special accommodation to protect them from other prisoners, as well as a potential higher risk of self-harm. This probably means that they are housed alongside sex offenders (and ex-police and other vulnerable prisoners)

hese figures are talking about trans gender males who are in prison and states about half are in Category A prison or prisons associated with sex offenders

And then people state to repeat the fact that 1/2 of trans people in prison are in for sex offences - but that not might be accurate but it gives a misleading impression.

I think while crossdressers are included under the 'trans' label, its obvious that the proportion of 'trans' sex offenders will be high, given crossdressing is a very common fetish among sex offenders to start with.

@yetanothertranswoman
"And then people state to repeat the fact that 1/2 of trans people in prison are in for sex offences - but that not might be accurate but it gives a misleading impression." I did include your comment about whether people were housed in certain prisons for their own safety after I read what you had said, might have been here or on another thread.

I think it would be helpful to have accurate figures.

I read that the home office does not collect data regarding the types of offences that TIM's have been convicted for, so finding out a percentage would be difficult. I think that they SHOULD collect this data, surely such information would be required when considering whether to move them to a female prison?

It's also difficult to access what's meant by the term 'trans' - if a stonewall definition was used this could cover a large spectrum of disorders but a more narrow definition, requiring a diagnosis of body dysphoria or a GRC, might be more appropriate. I wonder how the prison authorities make a decision over who is 'trans enough.' Anyone have any info regarding the risk assessments tools the prison estate uses in such circumstances? What do they define as 'trans.'