Ian Huntly

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The daily star is apparently reporting that Ian Huntley is now going by 'Nicola'.
Jeremy Vine has tweeted it so it might be covered on his show tomorrow.

Ian Huntley was the reason they brought in nationwide checks (crb checks as they were then) in the first place

Will s/he be transferred to a women's prison?

I hope that he won't be. I am prepared to call people who are transgender by the pronoun of their choice but I make an exception for scum like Huntley. He is a man and an evil foul scumbag who deserves no privileges whatsoever.

If you apply for a DBS check you have to give your previous names as far as I know so his background would still show up if he tried to hide behind the convenience of a pretence at being transgender.

He's doing genuine transgender people a real dis-service.

In order to get a DBS check you need to declare all previous names but if you are transgender and don’t want to disclose that to your employer you can go separately and privately to the DBS service and say “I am doing an application reference XYZ123 in the name of Dave Smith, please note that I was previously known as Jane Smith and link those records together behind the scenes”. You can either do that behind the scenes for all your records as a one off process or do it for each application.

Now of course you could just not bother in order to hide previous wrongdoing - but that’s the case for anyone who has changed their name for nefarious reasons - it’s the problem with a country where we don’t have ID cards.

He's doing genuine transgender people a real dis-service.

He’s not the only one, sadly.

Now of course you could just not bother in order to hide previous wrongdoing - but that’s the case for anyone who has changed their name for nefarious reasons - it’s the problem with a country where we don’t have ID cards.

What’s completely insane about it, is that I, as a volunteer manager, could be merrily processing a DBS for a masculine, bearded or otherwise “non passing” individual called Nicola/Tiffany/Laura/ A N Other female name, and there is no way for me to flag anything if I suspect that previous names have NOT been shared with the disclosure body by the individual.

I am obliged to proceed as if this is a natal woman and there is no reason to suspect an undeclared previous name.

As said, for a DBS you have to disclose previous names.
Of course, anyone can lie by omission.
I presume the DBS doesn't just take your word for it and actually checks these things.
I've just had one done, but I was honest and have no record, but presume they checked.

DBS requires you to submit lots of ID, I send off my birth certificate, passport and marriage certificate. I presume that if you change your name you have to have reference to your old name on identity documents? Having said that I imagine it’s possible to obtain a false birth certificate and build up identity papers from that. Don’t think that is a trans specific issue though but a weakness in the system generally.

Huntley will be closely monitored for the rest of his life regardless of his name or gender identity.

Now of course you could just not bother in order to hide previous wrongdoing - but that’s the case for anyone who has changed their name for nefarious reasons - it’s the problem with a country where we don’t have ID cards.

Really? That surely cannot be true? I am gobsmacked.
I have one regularly for work and am honest (no convictions ever anyway) but the thought that someone (anyone not just someone like IH) who changes their name can just lie by omission and slip through makes me wonder the fuck the point is?

What’s completely insane about it, is that I, as a volunteer manager, could be merrily processing a DBS for a masculine, bearded or otherwise “non passing” individual called Nicola/Tiffany/Laura/ A N Other female name, and there is no way for me to flag anything if I suspect that previous names have NOT been shared with the disclosure body by the individual.

I am obliged to proceed as if this is a natal woman and there is no reason to suspect an undeclared previous name.

Words fail me.

Don’t think that is a trans specific issue though but a weakness in the system generally.

Definitely. I'm often unpopular for saying that all a DBS proves is that the holder has never been caught.

I should hope that someone like Huntly is monitored so closely he won't be able to go for a crap without the police knowing about it, but stranger things have happened.

"Nicola Huntly" applied to become a volunteer, she wouldn't have to declare that she is trans, she wouldn't have to declare that she is actually Ian Huntly, so IH's crimes wouldn't appear on a police check for a NH

You do have to declare previous names on a DBS check - I have a DBS check and it's been done under previous names.

Huntley is a sick fuck to do this.

I have an enhanced DBS check, not a problem - pricey but not a problem to get.

However, I've have various name changes, married twice. I kept my second married name because it was the surname of my children.

I'm getting grief applying for jobs online because I now have to provide evidence of every name change.

My birth certificate and passport are no longer evidence of my identity. I have to provide proof my first marriage (80s), don't have that; my second marriage - have that. It's a nightmare.

And Huntley can just change his fucking name and get extra privileges.

I don’t think he can just change his name and get extra privileges? I think everyone has to provide evidence of previously held names for various reasons. There’s not much law in the UK surrounding names, which gives everyone freedom to be called whatever they wish, but can cause challenges when proving ones identity. I’ve found because the law is ambiguous different institutions have different requirements around providing identity documents. I was always against ID cards but actually recent experience in dealing with financial organisations has changed my mind.

Can you not order a replacement marriage certificate from the registry office?

He’s getting a personal guard apparently as the inmates want to attack him. Apparently as a result of changing his name.

Yes you have to provide your old names
For dbs. It’s why some of the activists are against the dbs because it still links their dead name.

Here's a summary of the DBS process for trans applicants.

I'm not sure that there should be a process specifically for an employer / volunteer coordinator to say "I think Lian used to be a man". Should there be a process for the employer to be able to say "I heard that Julie got married when she was really young but then divorced and the name she's using now is her second husband's, I hope she declares all her previous names", or "Sam told me that she was adopted, just checking that she has declared her previous names"

I'm not sure that there should be a process specifically for an employer / volunteer coordinator to say "I think Lian used to be a man". Should there be a process for the employer to be able to say "I heard that Julie got married when she was really young but then divorced and the name she's using now is her second husband's, I hope she declares all her previous names", or "Sam told me that she was adopted, just checking that she has declared her previous names"

A tick box for “Please link with confidentially submitted previous names” could at least flag the commissioning organisation’s expectation that an applicant could reasonably be expected to be using the confidential process.

Otherwise, we just go back to “all previous names on the application, no exceptions”. You can’t have a safeguarding-focussed procedure that’s more concerned with social niceties than accurate checks.

It’s why some of the activists are against the dbs because it still links their dead name

They shouldn't be as it is done confidentially. You have to tell them your previous name and it's not recorded on the DBS form that the potential employer sees.

Am I right in thinking that they have a dedicated team to deal with it so only the minimum number of people have access to that info?

This MAN is not trans, he is one sick fucker playimg the system.
I say this as one whom had a family member who had transitioned as a young teen, now a healthy happy young man.

The trans community has enough to cope with without bastards like IH trying to play an already over stretched system, which has no specific appropriate segregated living quarters.

There are times when political correctness has to be ignored. Give the man counselling, possibly, but nothing more.

Am I right in thinking that they have a dedicated team to deal with it so only the minimum number of people have access to that info

That's the impression I got.

If anything is likely to provoke a massive public backlash it would be moving Huntley to a women's prison.

Was there an actual link with evidence of the Nicola based name change?

Oh no.

This shows horribly clearly what a stupid and dangerous idea it would be to allow gender self-identification or self certification of gender.

It’s an absolutely brilliant wheeze for any male criminal who doesn't want his past to be known. Just call yourself a woman. such a man need not live as a trans person in any other way but they could legally be recognised as a woman and with that, get all the fresh paperwork in any new name they like to go with that new female identity, completely legally and just on his own say-so.

Is this true?