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"The Trans Revolution" to be broadcast on Radio 4 at 8pm tonight

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kesstrel · 03/04/2018 11:27

How is it that trans people have come out of the shadows and become so visible, in films and music, in ads, on TV, on the radio, when for decades their lives were hidden? What has enabled that change? Is it hard-won battles for equality, changes in gender roles, the birth of the internet, consumer culture? Maria Margaronis explores what lies behind the Trans Revolution and discovers that even asking the question is fraught with difficulties.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09xjx34

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BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:28

Polly Carmichael commenting

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:28

Either the guinea pigs or the pioneers

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:29

Inevitably going to be some tricky outcomes

ZERF · 03/04/2018 20:30

Gosh, quite a double take walking into the kitchen just now; it was like mn was suddenly on air! Had no idea - will listen again.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 03/04/2018 20:30

Is it just me, or does this do nothing for the debate??

It's all so "fluffy" on both sides....and in no way addresses the hard issues at play here.

The abuse, the erasure of women's voices and spaces, the mental health side of it?

It all seems so "beige"

merrymouse · 03/04/2018 20:30

So being a woman is a similar to having your nose pierced?

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:30

Remiss if not asking questions about whether some people are getting caught up in something.

OohMavis · 03/04/2018 20:30

Depends how it turns out. I'm guessing we're gonna go with 'guinea pigs' once their jaws start falling off.

FreezerBird · 03/04/2018 20:30

Ooh - taking about rise in girls identifying as trans.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 03/04/2018 20:31

Oooh hang on...might slightly retract that....might be running behind you lot on the listening. Blush

nauticant · 03/04/2018 20:31

There is an undergraduate woman on now who is actually speaking sense. The pressures on women in a pornified culture. Lesbians being marginalised and under pressure to come out as trans.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 03/04/2018 20:32

Yay...
Finally....a bit about leabians

Anlaf · 03/04/2018 20:32

What a load of fucking bollocks - the uncertainty over what's a boy and what's a girl makes us nervous, APPARENTLY

Get with the programme, timorous wifies.

Maddy (sp?) aged 20 sounds excellent on what it means to be a girl in a pornified society - and compares gender dysphoria to anorexia. And on the marginalisation of lesbians in LGBT groups. Flowers to Maddy!

Oh more feminists on now...

FreezerBird · 03/04/2018 20:32

Talking about marginalisation of lesbians! That's something, at least.

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:33

More girls referred than boys. Changed. Recently.

Sexualised girls at an early age may contribute to this rise.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 03/04/2018 20:33

"Power is still massed at the masculine end"

No fucking shit.

FreezerBird · 03/04/2018 20:34

(I'm meant to be putting DD to bed; when does this finish?)

nauticant · 03/04/2018 20:34

6 minutes.

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:35

Some young people are taking on non binary as a challenge to oppressive binaryism if their parents

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:35

Jane fay on now

CapnHaddock · 03/04/2018 20:36

Oh fuck off porn soaked Jane Fae

Anlaf · 03/04/2018 20:36

Let's "open up opportunities for thoughtful discussion" says Polly Carmichael

Oh god it's that bloke opining on stuff. Rebelling against the "oppressive binarism of their parents"

Isn't it a postmodernist thought problem that people can no longer have or express ideas clearly?

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:36

I suffer from that expansion of definition of trans. JF

BlackeyedSusan · 03/04/2018 20:38

Maybe get rid of the pink and blue boxes...

nauticant · 03/04/2018 20:38

The one glaring gap in this programme is that if gender fluidity is great and makes people free, why do some people need to have bits of their bodies chopped off? Or if they don't, what does that mean?