A very insightful article by Debbie Hayton

[Tackytriceratops]

I feel this needs its own thread.

I'm still absorbing what she's written. I think its very brave and has some key points.

Thank you Debbie

quillette.com/2018/03/30/plea-trans-activists-can-protect-trans-rights-without-denying-biology/

[LangCleg]

Worryingly, concerns about the impact on women went unaddressed, and Gender Identity was left undefined. That was perhaps unsurprising as attempts by other jurisdictions to pin down Gender Identity have been less than satisfactory. For example, the State of Massachusetts defined it as: “a person’s gender-related identity, appearance or behavior, whether or not that gender-related identity or behavior is different from that traditionally associated with the person’s physiology or assigned sex at birth.” Which, to me, is a conflation of circular reasoning and sexist stereotyping.

Just wanted to say that I also very much like this paragraph from your article, Debbie.

Another MNer was making this vital point on another thread yesterday. How can good law be based on a term which has not been defined in an objective way that can be tested in the courts?

[invisibleoldwoman]

Thank you Debbie.

[SophoclesTheFox]

I also love the concept of "identifying with" to replace "identifying as". It really highlights the importance of not just the individual's needs and feelings, but the needs of others. Often sadly lacking in transactivism.

Thanks, debbie. Important stuff.

as to the point that trans people get abuse if they stand up to transactivism, you'll forgive me if I greet that with a shrug, because that is exactly what happens to women.

[OohMavis]

Excellent article, beautifully written. We need more of this.

[Floisme]

Debbie thank you for that article and thank you for posting on here.

[Daff0dil]

There is a such a crying need for nuance and respect in matters of sex/gender. Thank you so much Debbie for such a powerful and eloquent piece of writing... I keep re-reading it and finding more there that's so important to consider.