Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges

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Verdict just returned
Not guilty to all four accused, all unanimous decisions.

boxthefox what would you do.? Are you posting to tell all women to accept sexual violence and rape as our lot?
Exactly what is your point?

Are you asking from a structural/institutional/judicial perspective Box ?

"PatriarchyPersonified Wed 28-Mar-18 21:13:45
Dukes

Speaking as a man I don't think the 'man gang' are going to be 'raising a glass' any time soon.

The whole thing is pretty depressing, no matter which way you look at it.

Men don't celebrate rape or rape accusations, regardless of what you may think."

It was box who said it

"boxthefox Wed 28-Mar-18 20:47:47
Give it two weeks and it will be all forgotten. Ulster Rugby will stand by them and maybe raise a glass or two to the former accused who are now not guilty.

That is the man pack."

Why don't you respond to poeple who make comments, rather than people who react to them, hmm?

Dukes I wasn't actually attacking you. It was just a statement.

Plenty of men do celebrate rape - gang rape is a thing and rape porn is a thing and women and girls (and men and boys) are raped all over the world every day and the media churns out glossy dramas showing women (young attractive) being sexually violated and so on and so on.

Rape only seems to happen if there is injury

In this particular case there was injury. And it still wasn't considered proof.

I'm in the ROI, after today and if the upcoming abortion referendum doesn't pass then my daughter can be raped and then made to continue with any ensuing pregnancy and it will be all her fault.

Yes she had vaginal injuries. Years ago that would probably have secured a conviction but it is not enough to prove lack of consent any more. Cos obviously we are all gagging for a brutal fisting nowadays.

anne are you taking screenshots of this thread to

Box your apathy is appalling.

"Men don't celebrate rape or rape accusations, regardless of what you may think."

You were implying - not very subtely - that I have an unfairly low opinion of men.

Actually it was the person on the thread who keeps saying that these men are innocent - not found not guilty but are innocent - who said their team will be toasting their "result".

"Rape only seems to happen if there is injury. Would that be correct or not."

What is this supposed to mean?

There is a whole host of proof on twitter that men do in fact celebrate rape on a daily basis, both today and on every other day.

Dukes

This business about the men hang raising a glass to their mates is vile. And accurate, I'm sure

You kind of do have that opinion though.

Box did say it, but you agreed.

And being found not guilty does mean that you are legally innocent.

Huh?

I meant that box's idea of the club toasting these men was vile. But I could imagine it.

Have a go at box, not me.

You're not going to are you because you and box are on the same "side".

Interesting that you will kick off when you think a feminist is saying it, but not at the originator of the comment who does not have sympathy with the victim.

Legally innocent =/= factually innocent.

Semantics.

Why don't you and box form some kind of gang and have a nice chat somewhere else

I mean even our own system says that >>

See the recent scandals where the compensation service refused to pay victims of CSA on the basis they were "victims in law, but not necessarily in fact".

Found not guilty means found not guilty - that the jury, given the evidence presented, have not found the defendent guilty beyond all reasonable doubt

Clearly that is quite a long way from "100% undoubtedly innocent" .

The upsot of recent cases will be to strongly discourage women and girls from reporting. I am sure that is the itent after the saville etc situations created so much work for police etc

They would prefer to go back to a time where the only rape that gets investigated is where the victim is dead, and the rest all shut up about it and live with it.

I am not at all surprised by this verdict, I wasn't surprised by the surprise late witnesses in CE case, nor by the compensation people refusing to pay victims of CSA, nor by the authorities in telford etc seeing the victims of CSA as girls gone off the rails & etc

I'm not sure what can be done. The law is not set up for sex offences and is incapable of dealing with them.

What about Telford?

Not much publicity about that atrocity in the media is there?

Oh, I forgot ... the Telford children did not have anyone to advocate for them. They were just kids at the mercy of predators, I forgot.

Children need to be advocated just like women do surely?

Box - the epitome of "whataboutery" there - of course Telford needs to be condemned - and is widely. In surprising news it's not actually an either/or situation...

Telford has been suppressed. That is obvious.

Ah -
No surprise that the men in telford were definitely bad and that's a totally different thing that we should all definitely talk about
An ATROCITY no less

Of all the examples I gave, that's the one that gets a reaction....

Boxy you stolled straight into the trap there, job's a good-un.

I think we all understand who boxy is now.

Telford was unreal. But there has been either a D notice or something else attached to it. Probably something like Do NOT mention the ethnicity of the perpetrators or we will be sued!

It has happened before and will happen again. Fear of the R word means that children can be subjected to this appalling abuse.

I am not in the least bit worried about what people might think of me. But honestly the fact that Britain has allowed abuse of children to happen in Rochdale and now Telford (and who knows where else now) means that rape of women is treated just the same way.

Awful in so many ways.

I believe her

So predictable

Anyway, I believe her too.