JK Rowling, transwomen and the Labour Party

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JK Rowling liked this tweet. I think she might be one of us. Will be interesting to see if this kicks off...

@yetanothertranswoman

Describing transwomen 'as men in dresses' is a stereotypical image of transwomen. Because that's all some people think being trans is.

But it is an accurate description of transvestites, isn't it? Transvestites and transsexuals are now grouped together as trans. My understanding is that transsexuals have a problem with this as it undermines the experience of going through SRS.

Without the proposed introduction of Self-ID most people would not give transgender issues a thought other than being fully sympathetic and supportive.

Any concerns are purely with Self-ID. References to 'men in dresses' is ridiculing the ideology pushing for Self-ID.

She has a great point about women being ignored in the Labour party and the sexism and mysogyny going on. But then there's the 'men in dresses' bit.

By referring to 'men is dresses' she is pointing out the sexism and misogyny that men who claim to be women get more respect than she has since she was 18 years old. Can you not see that?

By referring to 'men is dresses' she is pointing out the sexism and misogyny that men who claim to be women get more respect than she has since she was 18 years old. Can you not see that

I can see exactly what she is saying.
I can also see the impact of the phrase 'men in dresses'.

Now Shon Faye is having a pop at JK. Hope she can weather the storm...

Any concerns are purely with Self-ID. References to 'men in dresses' is ridiculing the ideology pushing for Self-ID

I know.

At the same time, other people can't see that and see it as a further excuse to ridicule transsexuals.

yetanothertranswoman
I am talking about how the law is being applied and you are pretending that it is my personal opinion. Either be honest of fuck off.
If you do not know what I am talking about with regard to the application of the 2010 EA I suggest you educate yourself.

The abuse and death threats JK is getting right now, for liking a tweet just shows what happens to prominent women (and men) when they speak about this topic.

Yet when women say "we are being silenced, and abused" - nobody believes us.

If you do not know what I am talking about with regard to the application of the 2010 EA I suggest you educate yourself

It's the GRA that is the act that gets the GRC. The Equality Act protects against people undergoing gender reassignment.

I am sure you know how people get a GRC. It's not about wearing dresses.

If you repeal the GRA the EA would still provide for males to be treated as women by law if they propose to transition. Read the law.

If you repeal the GRA the EA would still provide for males to be treated as women by law if they propose to transition

It says that someone cannot be discriminated against for under going gender reassignment.

Which is not the same as being treated as women.

It does mean that someone cannot be fired if they say they are undergoing gender reassignment.

It does not mean they have to be treated as women.

I have read the Act.

@yetanothertranswoman

Any concerns are purely with Self-ID. References to 'men in dresses' is ridiculing the ideology pushing for Self-ID

I know.

At the same time, other people can't see that and see it as a further excuse to ridicule transsexuals.

Women are also ridiculed (too fat, too thin, too old, too young). And not just ridiculed. Two women a week die at the hand of their intimate partner (this does not include women who are killed by punters/strangers/child birth etc) because they are women.

But the rights and respect for women and transsexuals are both being ridiculed, dismissed and abused because of the proposal of Self-ID.

Women need spaces which are women only. The debate we are asking for is to protect those spaces, that is all.

Most, nearly all women support people and their trans experience but women are merely asking for our rights to women only spaces and the factual definition of woman to be respected and not trampled on. I am immediately concerned with any person born male, regardless of their experience, who does not understand this.

I am immediately concerned with any person born male, regardless of their experience, who does not understand this

I am sure you know that it is possible to

a) Be concerned about self ID, mysogny, VAWG and the Labour party and self ID

and

b) To be surprised that someone like JK Rowling decides to raise awareness of such issues by highlighting a tweet that contains something that is used to ridicule trans people.

@yetanothertranswoman

To be surprised that someone like JK Rowling decides to raise awareness of such issues by highlighting a tweet that contains something that is used to ridicule trans people.

JK Rowling did not decide to raise awareness of such issues. She 'liked' a Tweet, that is all. And to reiterate again, the reference to 'men in dresses' refers to the ridiculousness of Self-ID. Without the proposal of Self-ID transgender issues would be considered by most people with only sympathy and kindness.

JK Rowling is a woman who has lived through being a single mum and lived in poverty. My only surprise is that she has not shouted from the rooftops that women are oppressed because of their biology and because of gender stereotypes and because of the patriarchy.

She, like many women, are scared to speak the truth (people cannot change sex, women deserve women only spaces etc.) because of the visceral response they will receive. The response to JKR Tweet affirms this. I have seen the comment 'murder her'. I bet she would rather be ridiculed.

She has been pretty effing clear in her books and interviews. What part of that did you think was surprising? That she talks about it like a woman rather than a transgender advocate?
She can read as well as write.

I’m seeing tweets slagging off JKs personal appearance too. Over liking a tweet.

I hope this all makes her go full out and proud TERF now she’s had a taster of what ordinary women are experiencing when they speak out.

Some horrible abuse on here

mobile.twitter.com/PopCrave/status/976503947799166976

And here

mobile.twitter.com/shonfaye/status/976470639790915585

I don’t think I can bear it if she capitulates and publishes a grovelling apology.

Lily Madigan and Jack Monroe also rallying the troops to go after her. Both constantly crying about mean folk attacking them on twitter, how they bullying is bad for their MH.

Her liking thst tweet might even have been about the ugly sexist behaviour rather than “men in dresses” - but she must be punished for her heinous crime.

I’ll be very disappointed if she apologises instead of telling them to fuck off.

Cunts. The trans abusers, that is.

Which i realise sounds ambiguous written down. I mean the people going after JK and labelling her and yet again trying to shout down a woman’s voice when all she is doing is speaking her truth.

Ffs. I despair.

I am so over men in dresses’ trying to censor women’s voices while pretending they speak for women. FUCK OFF.

Someone needs to translate for me. Wtaf just ‘stan’ mean. I don’t do yoof-speak and half the tweets are indecipherable lol. I can figure out ‘cancelled’
‘Stan’?????

stan is a stalkerish fan of a celebrity. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stan
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CANCELLED
Done and dusted, a fan no more. I am sure Jo is crushed that she has disappointed her most important stan.

How can it be a surprise to them that JK would support sex-segregated spaces? There's even I bit in one of the books where the staircase to the girl's dormitory turns into a slide when a male tries to enter.

Oh yeah! But iirc Hermione could get into the boys' dorm because the founders felt girls were more trustworthy...

Shon Faye really is a vile individual - happily tweets "Enjoy your erasure" at women - but has a hissy fit at JK liking a tweet. Classic abusive behaviour.

Madigan and Monroe are the same - narcissistic little snowflakes, who are happy to dish out abuse, and rally followers to abuse others - but then the next minute, crying that "they're taking a break from social media for their mental health". This behaviour is so attention seeking.