Man Friday hits the news!

[NotAWhacktivist]

This doesn't seem to have been posted yet. Hats off to this women (she has posted here about her efforts)

Topless swimmer wades into trans row
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9a8e437c-2a35-11e8-8cd0-05c64066237c

You cannot blame all transgender people for the poor behaviour of the few. Crikey, we all know people of different genders and sexuality or ages or cultures or religions that behave badly, but you can't tar all with the same brush.

Who is blaming all trans people? There however is some concerning groupthink online among genderists which can be perceived as misogynistic and homophobic. I don't think you can say the problem is only with a "few". It's a subculture and it needs addressing, just like you think there's a problem with gender critical people.

How many times are you going to say you don't want to talk to us before you stop talking to us @m1randa1?

Alternatively you could bring an argument to the table....

Yes, I mean a lesbian

Male people cannot be lesbians. Lesbians have a long history and culture that is specifically about female people being in loving and/or sexual relationships with other women. You cannot pretend that that culture, that history, that LESBIANS THEMSELVES, don't exist, so you can claim that men, and women in heterosexual relationships with men, are lesbians.

This really disgusts me. How dare any male 'identify' themselves as a lesbian.

Thank you, M1randa1. I'm pleased your DD has found someone.

'Lesbian' is a protected characteristic under The Equality Act. It means female homosexual.

It is amazing how quickly Equality laws and protected groups can be ignored and trampled over when men demand it.

'Lesbian' is a protected characteristic under The Equality Act. It means female homosexual.

It's at risk of being undermined and protections watered down as much as the protected characteristic of sex is. I've heard lesbian woman in relationships with trans identified females disparagingly referred to as "straight" couples on social media and that they shouldn't be allowed to call themselves lesbians or hang out in lesbian spaces, but so called male "lesbians" i.e. heterosexual males should be.

I don't understand why you aren't encouraging your child to be out and proud in their new gender identity as a transwoman, M1randa1, instead of going along with the myth that they have changed sex?

From where I'm sitting, it's the transgender folk and those around them that seem to be ashamed of the T-word, hence their eagerness to hide under the cloak of perceived 'womanhood'.

They're never going to convince the majority of the public that an XY-male can ever become what is generally understood as a woman, as it flies in the face of scientific fact. The sooner the trans community comes to terms with that, the sooner the rest of society will stop laughing at such ludicrous dogma behinds their backs. Because, rail against it as much as you like, but that is what is happening, in the same way many of us roll our eyes at the beliefs of the scientologists or the reptilian theories of David Icke.

The transgender community is fighting the wrong battle. The one they should be engaging in is with themselves. Transgendered and proud.

Ereshkigal that exposes the misogyny and double standards.
I feel so sorry for young women now, we were all so hopeful that things would change for the better and now look at the way things are.

@m1randa1 Please don't private message me, I am not interested in exchanging private messages with someone who considers women's legal and human rights to be disposable.

Joan Summers, how offensive you are. How could I possibly think women’s rights are disposable. Your views make me ashamed of some women though.

Can you not grasp why many women would think that?

I apologise @m1randa1 as I obviously wasn't clear enough for you before.

You have made it clear over the course of this thread that
A) you have no argument other than "men's feels over women's rights"
B) rather than making an argument to support your view you have insulted women repeatedly
C) you don't believe women have the right to set their own boundaries
D) you dont believe women have the rights to safety, privacy and dignity
E) for women in this read also underage girls who you think safeguarding policies should not apply for
F) you do not support lesbians rights under the Equality Act
G) you believe that delusional males rights overrule all women's rights
H) you believe that as you identify as a woman and a parent of a trans person on the internet that everyone should just believe you are who you say you are and be extra nice to you
I) you believe as you identify yourself this way that you are therefore an expert on transgender and lesbians.

As all of this has been made clear I think your opinions are misogynist, lesbophobic and despicable and show that you do not support at all women and girls having rights and protections, and lesbians having other specific rights and protections, under current legislation if it makes some man somewhere have a sad.

Your opinion is therefore worth a grand total of fuck all to me and I have no interest in talking to you privately about this.

What a load of tosh you have written. I’m a historian and how you extrapolate your information from my posts is most bizarre. I would give a student no marks if they came out with this bluster on the basis of what I have written. Labelling it alphabetically does not make it accurate. Honestly, you are just making stuff up.

No one cares about your job or how many imaginary marks you'd give random women on the internet.

The prevailing gender identity ideology is both misogynistic and homophobic and you go along with it. You can deny it all you like but that's the truth.

What an interesting change of tone and vocabulary you've managed.

Sorry Ereshkigal, that was not aimed at you (obviously I hope!)

I presumed not

And yes, indeed it is.

m1randa1 Reality is, you have a trans kid so are quite prepared to throw women under the bus. Don't expect sympathy, you aint gonna get any!

I don’t expect sympathy. But I stand up for the rights of all my daughters against haters.

And I'll stand up for the rights of everyone else's daughters.

I wonder how many daughters will thank you when their rights are diminished to a pre-twentieth century state and all the "women's" representatives are male.

I will teach any girls I have an influence on to be streetwise, yes, but what I will not teach them is that their feelings matter less than those of males and that their role in the universe is to budge up to make male people more comfy and suppress their reactions to things that alarm them so as not to hurt male feelings.

I will teach any male young people (and adults to the extent that they're still willing to listen too) to have respect for the boundaries of others and not to assume that their feelings are more important than those of women and girls. It's a shame some women here HINT HINT were unwilling to do the same for their male children.