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I just discovered John Maclean

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BarrackerBarmer · 16/03/2018 10:29

Makeup artist - could pass aesthetically as a woman better than Paris Lees et al.

Isn't transgender.
States categorically that he is a man.
I'm not sure this is even drag for him.
It's just self-expression.
Yes, he's eccentric, but seems to have a decent grip on sex vs gender, and oppression and stereotypes.

The TRAs must hate this. He's fascinating.

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Wanderingwomb · 16/03/2018 10:34

yes to more of this kind of thing!

YesILikeItToo · 16/03/2018 10:39

Erm, ru-clip doesn’t seem to carry very nice adverts. Not Safe For Work.

BarrackerBarmer · 16/03/2018 10:48

Oh crikey, sorry! Nothing happened for me. I'll ask MNHQ to change the link in the OP.

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Earlyup · 16/03/2018 10:55

Oh he's really interesting. Just watched the start of his video on beard removal and he basically states he's a man, male, but happens to prefer aesthetically a (what our age define as) feminine look, albeit helped by being naturally more androgynous.

DawnMumsnet · 16/03/2018 11:05

@BarrackerBarmer

Oh crikey, sorry! Nothing happened for me. I'll ask MNHQ to change the link in the OP.

No probs. We've changed the link now.

BarrackerBarmer · 16/03/2018 11:22

Thanks DawnMumsnet!

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ArcheryAnnie · 16/03/2018 11:23

Well, he's wrong that women don't question it, but I do broadly like where he's coming from!

I have a tall friend, wears androgynous clothes (trousers, flannel, etc), never wears makeup, and when she cut her hair, she noticed that people's behaviour when she walked down the street changed - they were stepping out of her way! She then realised she was being read like a man, and since she told me this, I've made a conscious effort not to step out of men's way on the street (and got shoulder-barged a lot as a result).

I also think that was this bloke has discovered, is also (some) of the reason for the "transwomen are the most oppressed people in the universe" thing. People who have been brought up as boys and then lived as the men they are, and who then start presenting as female - well, they still never really noticed how badly they and other men treat women. Because they never really accepted that they had male privilege, or understood just how extensive that male privilege was, they wouldn't grasp what losing even a smidgen of that male privilege would mean. So then when they are on the receiving end of homophobia (if they don't pass) or on the receiving end of sexism (if they do pass), then they can't grasp that anyone else has been treated as terribly, terribly badly as that, and they melt down and demand their Oppression Olympics Gold Medal. It's a basic failure to understand just what being a woman actually means in reality, and I think it's a genuine shock for any man that has a taste of it.

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/03/2018 02:46

He is fascinating. I would love to be that skilled in applying make-up.

TheFootOfMyStairs · 17/03/2018 03:34

*Because they never really accepted that they had male privilege, or understood just how extensive that male privilege was, they wouldn't grasp what losing even a smidgen of that male privilege would mean. So then when they are on the receiving end of homophobia (if they don't pass) or on the receiving end of sexism (if they do pass), then they can't grasp that anyone else has been treated as terribly, terribly badly as that, and they melt down and demand their Oppression Olympics Gold Medal. It's a basic failure to understand just what being a woman actually means in reality, and I think it's a genuine shock for any man that has a taste of it.

This. Completely.

BitOfFun · 17/03/2018 03:40

Absolutely, ArcheryAnnie, yes.

Datun · 17/03/2018 08:23

ArcheryAnnie

Completely agree with your post and the what the fuck moment when their privilege slides.

I've often wondered what it must feel like to walk through life as a man, without ever realising that you are reacted to on that basis.

I'm sure there are many women who don't realise their wholesale lack of privilege, in terms of things like walking down the street and moving out of the way. It just feels 'normal'. The natural deferring to a louder, more dominant voice, etc.

Sometimes, it's only when you have been told, or shown, that these things happen that you start to notice it.

And, as everyone knows, once seen...

And men simply don't have the equivalent of feminist forums, designed to redress the imbalance, to be informed of what their privilege looks like. They never get to hear about it.

And even if they are called out on their sexism, it still doesn't click. It feels normal.

DH was waiting to speak at an event. He was standing 'in the wings' next to a colleague who was going on first.

They were both waiting for another speaker to be introduced prior to their turn.

The speaker was changed at the last minute from a man to woman.

DH's colleague was pissed off that he was now to follow a woman. He made some comment along the lines of 'sloppy seconds'.

He genuinely thought that following a woman would give him a disadvantage (I'm still not quite sure how).

And to him, it felt obvious and 'normal'.

It's a very depressing thought.

HawkeyeInConfusion · 17/03/2018 09:40

I hadn't thought of it like that ArcheryAnnie. But that makes sense.

IntelligentYetIndecisive · 17/03/2018 09:44

ArcheryAnnie

Another vote for "Absolutely nailed it".

CaptainWarbeck · 17/03/2018 09:51

He's 18 and from Stornoway in the Isle of Lewis. What a fascinating character.

BeUpStanding · 17/03/2018 10:24

archeryannie omigod you're absolutely right! I never thought of it like that. You nailed it

VoleClock · 17/03/2018 10:27

Another bulls eye there, Archery.
Reminded me of this story where bloke assumed he was better at job than female colleague until they signed emails as each other

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gender-inequality-man-woman-switch-names-week-martin-schneider-nicky-knacks-pay-gap-a7622201.html

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/03/2018 10:29

He's 18 and from Stornoway in the Isle of Lewis. What a fascinating character

Gosh. Yes I found him fascinating. I love his accent.

ChattyLion · 18/03/2018 08:18

Great post Archery that really made things fall into place for me.

BertrandRussell · 18/03/2018 08:23

Is the link in the OP safe to share now?

YesILikeItToo · 18/03/2018 10:45

Yes, Bertrand, it’s been changed to YouTube.

MsUrsula · 25/03/2018 12:10

ArcheryAnnie, I am trans. You're making some ignorant and offensive declarations about the lives of people like me. Trans women do not grow up swimming in male privilege and then whine when it's taken away. We typically grow up having to repress our true selves, living a lie. Try to imagine if everybody treated you as a gender you weren't, and you had to dress in clothes that felt wrong and talk with a voice that felt wrong and teach yourself how to act like something you weren't. Maleness isn't a privilege when it's forced on you, and it doesn't feel right. When (or if) we finally reveal our true selves to the world, we often lose our families and careers. We are routinely beaten or killed, and all too often the perpetrators walk away scot-free. (tdor.info/) This is the truth.

Coming out has taught me a million things about men and women, but there has never been a moment when I said, "Oh, gosh, men have it so much better! What a fool I was, to give up my male privilege!" I never enjoyed playing a masculine role, but I felt like society would never accept me as a woman. I only felt trapped, living as a man. Living as a woman I can feel like myself at last, but doing so is kind of terrifying, all the time. It always will be.

I'm very angry, but I've tried to be more respectful here than you were. Please make an effort to learn more about trans people.

woman11017 · 25/03/2018 12:18

Great, thank you for posting. What an intelligent and empathic young man, this John MacLean is. We don't 'accept' the subjugation though. Smile

BarrackerBarmer · 25/03/2018 12:28

MsUrsula

I'm very angry too.

You know what woman means?
It means adult human female.

There are billions of us. We need OUR word to talk about OURSELVES. What it actually means to be female. And you have no idea about what it means to be female, because you are male.

So, by all means, wear what you want, speak in the voice you want, love who you want.

But since you are male, use a different word than woman to describe yourself. Because you do not have any clue, even now, after learning "a million things about men and women" what it means to be female.
And the fact that you waltz onto a women's forum to tell us we are wrong about ourselves is the epitome of

Male Privilege.

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BarrackerBarmer · 25/03/2018 12:31

Try to imagine if everybody treated you as a gender you weren't,

Every
Fucking
Day

Literally everything MsUrsula thinks women are, is a shining example of treating adult human females as a gender which we are NOT.

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 25/03/2018 12:37

Try to imagine if everybody treated you as a gender you weren't, and you had to dress in clothes that felt wrong and talk with a voice that felt wrong and teach yourself how to act like something you weren't.

You've described the life of every girl who grew up not wanting to be a 1950's housewife crossed with a porn star, while simultaneously being a nun.