"International men's day" post

[TheBrilloPad]

A fb relative (student - university age) posted the post below re: "international men's day".

Would you comment something? Ignore it? It angered me and I can't articulate why clearly.

Why has it angered you?

That's what I can't articulate. I don't know. Feels like it's dismissing what International women's day is about. I don't believe an international men's day is needed, I guess.

I think it's annoying because it's belittling women's experience by saying men have the same (or in some cases worse) but overlooking the fact that both men and women largely have these experiences because of male violence.

It annoys me too. Because the tone seems to be comparing men with women, rather than just focusing on issues that affect men. There is often a silent “and it’s women’s fault-they should do something about it” after any statement about bad things happening to men.

I wish International Men’s Day could be a proper focus on things that would make life better for men, not a stick to hit women with. Maybe it will be this year.

I think Bertrand to be fair had the poster been the other way round there would be an even stronger implication that it was all down to men's behaviour.
I think you each have to fight your own battles and let those that don't affect you pass by.

Does it provide any references? I find it hard to believe that 40% is domestic abuse victims are men, or that men serve longer terms for the same crimes (I thought it was the other way round ...)

incorruptable - yes. If it was the other way round there would have been the implication that this was because of male violence- because it is. But the implication here that this is something to blame women for us unfounded - because these things are also due to male violence.

I do feel sorry for a lot of men who end up homeless cause the wife always gets the house. Also for the domestic violence cases because if they even try to defend themselves they come off as perpetrators.

On saying that it does seem a bit backlashy to women's day. But then I find women's day rather patronising.

Well it is a bit boohoo poor us, and fails to add the balance that men are largely the perpetrators of crime, and of more serious crimes than women (hence the longer time in prison figures).

However, if men campaigning for men's issues means they stop hijacking IWD with "what about the men" sentiments then I am all for that.

There are issues that concern men that society needs to address. The suicide rates are shocking and only seem to be getting worse. If there was more work done to break down the stereotypes surrounding what it means to be a man, maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we are now with gender/trans issues. I think that all of society will benefit from men's issues being discussed, in the same way that improvements surrounding feminism/women's issues ultimately benefit all of society.

I don't believe an international men's day is needed

It's not needed for the same thing IWD is, but as far as I can tell, it's not pursuing that goal. An IMD aimed at ending the sidling of men's issues, raising men's wages and fighting the objectification of men would be laughed at or ignored.

It seems to be trying to get men to discuss issues affecting men and around masculinity, and to raise awareness of specific health/social issues. I think men could do to talk about this sort of stuff more.

I think you risk looking like what the Daily Mail think a feminist is, if you object to raising awareness on some of those issues in the mem above.

Because the tone seems to be comparing men with women, rather than just focusing on issues that affect men.

Is it? The UK website doesn't seem that way to me- it doesn't really mention women. I've not really seen much else about it- what 'proper' things should it be focusing on?

What would ask him what action he is intending to take to address these issues?
What is he proposing to do on 19.11.2018?
I'd also be dubious about some of those numbers and would be interested in sources.
Who is the perpertrator in most of the crimes committed against men? Men

And get him to follow Henning Whatshisname on Twitter

It’s interesting that the quoted 40% of domestic abuse is not majority.

Homelessness is not a violent crime, and suicide I assume does not count in those stats? (If it does it’s clearly not the same as a violent crime where the victim and perpetrator are different people.)

And of course if you offered the alternative stats on how many perpetrators of violent crime are men then it wouldn’t look so impressive.

But I’m not sure challenging it is worthwhile - if we do talk about IWD then IMD is just as valid.

Both days should be anti-Patriarchy days. IWD clearly is, but what about IMD?

It is almost like it’s trying to compete with women’s in terms of which sex suffers the most. But it isn’t actually doing that because it doesn’t really mention women.

Also international women’s day focuses on positivity and acknowledgment of female successes. This just seems to say men suffer a lot too so let’s highlight that.

Its a crap advert.

@starzig youre statement that “I do feel sorry for a lot of men who end up homeless cause the wife always gets the house.” is a bit ridiculous. Men are homeless for many reasons and very few of them is because their wife got the house.

I think the reactions to this type of poster really reveal what type of feminism people support and the energy behind it.
I'm all for men fighting for their needs as I am free to for women's needs.

And get him to follow Henning Whatshisname on Twitter

Richard Herring? I like that IMD exists for his tweets alone :-)

Although in fairness following Henning Wehn would be no bad thing either.

It would be interesting to do this in 2 columns.

80% of homeless are men... 80% of the world's land is owned by men

70% of homicide victims are men... 90% of those incarcerated for committing violent crime are men

40% of men are victims of domestic violence... if you give equal weight to numbers of people experiencing it (and count one-off acts of self-defence as violence) rather than counting instances of violence (so repeated attacks on a woman are given the same weight in the statistics as the one occasion on which the woman snaps and punches back)*

men serve longer in prison... because they commit more serious crimes - in addition to the 90% of prisoners convicted of violence, 98% of the prisoners convicted of sex offences are men.

Anyone seeing a pattern emerging here?

*There are of course men who are genuinely the victims of domestic violence - I have had friends and relatives who were - and it is terrible and should not happen. But that 40% statistic is exaggerated.

Richard Herring, that's the one!

I said this on the last thread about this but I'll say it again here. I feel the same way about international men's day as I do about heterosexual pride day.

And no, 40% of domestic abuse victims are not men.

It's not a competition guys. (or gals)

These are the sort of stats that MRAs like to share online, wothout reference to any sources, which unfortunately means that i automatically assume that this poster is attempting to goad feminists

Is it the timing that bothers you do you think? My first thought was it's in November so why post it now, second thought is it to "what about the men" just after IWD?

Well the glaring fact omitted there regarding males more likely to be murdered, is that it will be men that murder them. I'm all for men highlighting their needs and wanting to raise awareness. But they won't actually name the problem.