Curious as to what type of feminist you are?

[Rottweilers]

That’s it really. Radical, Liberal ect.
First post here.

I can’t help wondering if tran self identification wasn’t being pushed for - would there be as many rad fems?

—almost posted tram self identification—

Trans self-id is the last straw for me.

I'm hoping someone can tell me what I am!
I agree with rights of women, but also the rights of LGBT. I don't give a hoot about Dave who wants to be Sarah after 6pm. But do care that a bunch of boys who like dress up want to invade our spaces, because they can. I don't want to be dictated to by these prats either, I'm concerned for my daughters futures but when I tried to raise it with them I'm called a bigot.
I noticed that some of these men don't even dress as women , but seem to of jumped on the bandwagon. It also pisses me off that women who define as men have had their voice taken too, there still doesn't seem to be equality in so many ways, but for men it's fair game.

I like quizzes so when a LorelaiVictoriaGilmore mentioned a quiz I went and found one by openpsychometrics. OK but USA bias. I was mainly a liberal feminist. I see buzzfeed have one too but their quizzes take forever so maybe another day as better do some work now.

Rad fem and proud of it!

It’s just sounding to me like gender critical = rad fem.

I always thought the difference between rad and liberal was in terms of approach.

So a liberal approach would be to change society through social and polical reforms. So changing current structures.

A radical approach would involve tearing down the old structures and creating new ones.

That's probably because the current issue for many feminists is the radical trans population that is trying to re-write biology.

The push back, even the most liberal, has been threatened and labelled TERF, amongst other things. So even the most 'feminine' of feminists now sounds like a highly radicalised bigot!

It's a great way to ensure that women don't get to have any say in a law change that will affect them. Just assume they hate all trans people and want them not to exist... when really most feminists just want to ensure that the 'wants' of a very small % of the population does not steam roll the 'needs' of about 50% of the population".

We are getting a very good lesson in how men and women are very different! Men shout and rage that they are being discriminated against... and they get attention and sympathy. Women start by saying 'excuse me, but....' and get thrown out of political parties, doxxed, threatened, physically assaulted and told they are being unreasonable not to care for those vulnerable men!

Not sure that, as a book or a film it would sell well!

Just found an online test. I seem to be pretty evenly split.

Perspective
Score
Liberal feminist
43
Women of Color
36
Radical feminist
33
Cultural feminist
32
Socialist feminist
29
Conservative
12

Is the difference not that libfems believe in equality in the current system and radfems believe in a complete overhaul of the system, because we can’t progress when everything was built by and for men?

I consider myself strongly radfem, didn’t know it until a few years ago as like so many on here I thought liberal equates to tolerant and accepting, which I like to think I am. It has become clear that liberal seems to mean pandering, silencing and self-flagelation/congratulation for putting everyone else first.

I'm a bit in the middle.

Radfem in the sense that I'm gender critical, very opposed to what transactivists are doing.

Intersectional in that I think a lot of people ignore the variations in privilege and rights across different demographics of women and that L/B women, women of colour and women with disabilities don't feel represented by much of feminism currently (although a lot of the blame lies with the transactivists who are trying to monopolise every discussion about feminism to focus solely on themselves)

Liberal in that while I strongly disagree with transactivism and many aspects such as the cotton ceiling, I largely agree with the rights of trans people who are transitioned/have the intention to transition to use services associated with their identity, on the understanding that their wishes are second to the needs of born women (if a woman requests a female doctor rather than trans, that should be accepted and she shouldn't be vilified, same for women in refuges/rape crisis centres etc). Obviously this will never be accepted by the transactivists which pushes me further towards radfem on a regular basis.

Then join me in being a Feminist Social Theorist

Then you just have to remember you believe that there is conflict and all the other labels fall away (especially that hijacked and be-damned 'intersectionalist' cant). Sex and gender are distinct

Phenomenology is, I think, a great filter for our lives... all of them.

Then join me in being a Feminist Social Theorist

Then you just have to remember you believe that there is conflict and all the other labels fall away (especially that hijacked and be-damned 'intersectionalist' cant). Sex and gender are distinct

Phenomenology is, I think, a great filter for our lives... all of them.

• So a liberal approach would be to change society through social and polical reforms. So changing current structures.

A radical approach would involve tearing down the old structures and creating new ones.*

By those definitions, I was a liberal feminist. But if the issues around gender id can't be satisfactorily resolved within current structures and via existing channels, then I really start to question whether the current structure is in any way fit for purpose. And if you knew me, you'd know how unusual it is for me to be thinking that!

I feel as though the direction of the gender id debate is making me choose between 'liberal' and 'feminist'. But I think (and I am very new to this!) that radical feminists (or some radical feminists) would always have seen 'liberal' and 'feminist' as incompatible....?

I wasn't sure. Probably rad fem. I think I used to be lib fem without realising it but I agree that patriarchy and gender stereotypes are a big issue in society for everyone so I guess I'm now rad fem.

It's occurred to me that terf is a total minsnomer as without stereotypes it deletes the need for trans. I guess I'd be called a terf though.

I've just watched peachyogurts explanation on another thread and it's now really clear.

This one by the way.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS9IwNCggo

I understand lib fem. but I can't ignore the rad fem approach as an ideal.

I'm still learning.

I'm more for equality than being an out and out feminist, because everyone should be afforded the same privileges despite them being female, or gay, or coloured, not because they are female iyswim. I have been discriminated more for other reasons than being female.

"I'm more for equality than being an out and out feminist,"

How do you see them differing?

Because feminism doesn't include males and their equal rights.

And everybody in between.

Of course feminism includes men! It includes all genders too!

It doesn't exist in a vacuum!

Could you explain what you mean as, to be honest, you have totally confused me

Privileged apparently. Since I’m white, straight and middle class.

All I said was that you have to be careful that intersectional feminism doesn’t end up with silos - you’re all female and sometimes might have to work together as ‘just’ feminists rather than black feminists or queer feminists.

But apparently it’s a purely intellectual problem for me, and I shouldn’t talk about it to people in the other categories as I have such a huge advantage compared to them that I’ll never understand how they feel. I was told that by a straight, white, middle class man...

He probably identifies as Jesus Christ, BlazeAway

I understand lib fem. but I can't ignore the rad fem approach as an ideal

You see I just can’t get my head round the rad fem approach. I can’t work out exactly how we are mean to tear down every sexist structure in society (doesn’t help that virtually every structure is sexist).

Just seems to me that Rad fem is mostly a thought experiment. There’s nothing wrong with that but I’m more of a practical person.

I'm a radical feminist

He’s an ally and his work’s Diversity Champion.

Apart from for straight women and gay men apparently - we’re not oppressed enough.