Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

Aye.

Lang it isn't a derail at all. It is important for posters and lurkers to see this point thrashed out so they can form an opinion if they haven't considered it before.

Aye!

Sex DOES matter- women are discriminated against because of their sex.

(I would also happily support separate safe spaces and resources designated for transwomen, transmen, and men- it’s foolish and damaging to suggest that in biological terms all of our needs are the same, they are not.

Aye

Mmm, I thought I would be an 'aye' as I am aghast at what is happening. But something about the tone / language makes me uncomfortable. As PPs have said, "segregation" has very negative associations. I know this is playing with words, but for me, the issue is the loss of protection or loss of freedom. There is a freedom that comes with the absence of the other sex - to feel relaxed, unthreatened, not objectified, etc - which is so refreshing in a world dominated by men. Men have so many arenas where they can just 'be, we don't. The protection is from the fear of violence or threat of violence or sexual abuse: absolutely NAMALT, but because a minority are, and biology means they're usually stronger than us, we are like meerkats, constantly alert. I don't want that in situations where I am already vulnerable.

So, I know I am arguing for segregation, but I balk at the word.

Aye

Aye

I don't want to bring my daughter up in a world where she believes her sex is so debilitating to her and that men are so different that she might want to choose to be completely apart from them in any given walk of life.

That's not what is being discussed though. And for your information thepilot there are women out there so traumatised by the brutality of men that they have no choice in life but to choose to be completely apart from men.

party it seems a lot of people balk at the word although they agree with the meaning in this context.

Segregation is exactly what is meant. I can also see negative connotations with 'protection' and 'separation', etc.

Aye.

THANK YOU for all your hard work in producing such a comprehensive and clear document.

Donkey

Aye

Does 'same-sex provision' sound more acceptable to posters than the segregation?

Aye

Aye

OP I've read the document but not all of this thread. The document doesn't have a single citation or link to original source. If I read it I'd assume the lack of references meant a lot of facts were being misrepresented. Links to proposed legislation changes (so ppl can read the detail) and reputable reports of the 'things that have already happened' would make it infinitely more credible. and maybe a proofreader

another Aye.

Thank you for this.

On the plus side, the issues are clearly presented

titchy that does sound gentler - but I am wondering if it fits in all contexts. I'd be interested in hearing other views on it.

Aye

There’s a lot of effort gone into this, thank you. I wouldn’t worry about nitpicking with the wording - if people want to take offence they will do regardless of wording (as some have on this very thread).

Aye

Aye!

Aye. Well done!

if people want to take offence they will do regardless of wording (as some have on this very thread).

True - but the word 'segregation' does have particularly negative connotations for some, and it might prevent some from reading the whole thing. I think it's worth getting the wording as perfect as possible. And yes footnotes might add authenticity.

Aye.