Pilgrim Tucker, who spoke at the meeting last Tuesday, being stitched up on TV tomorrow?

[Datun]

She has tweeted that she was invited to talk about self ID on the Victoria Derbyshire Show being aired tomorrow at 9am.

But she had no idea that the interviewer was a transactivist. They only told her afterwards.

How much longer is this bias going to be pushed by the BBC? Will a gender critical woman be invited to interview a transactivist.? You know, in the interests of ‘fairness’.

How are women supposed to counter the #nodebate when it is being rigorously upheld by the BBC?

I sincerely hope the programme is fair and balanced, despite my misgivings...

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CockapooMum

You came across brilliantly. There simply is no argument to allow men in rape refuges.

The fact that you even have to say it out loud is ridiculous.

It made my blood boil that they were even questioning your boundaries.

This wholesale denial of women's entirely rational fear of male violence is sickening.

Well done. You were very brave.

And your voice was crucial.

Yes the open debate bit was good. And I agreed about getting offline and discussing.

Cockapoo you were great. Really calm and clear, you told your story and were completely credible. It must have taken some guts to do that so thank you!

Hope everything continues to get better and better for you in your new life

CockapooMum you were brilliant. You didn’t let them intimidate you or stray from the important points. I hope you find contentment in your life. Thank you for being brave enough to put yourself out there. I’ve suffered childhood abuse and went through an abusive relationship. I’m a gobshite on here, but not sure I could have done what you did. 🌹

Cockapoo
You came across very well. Every body watching could only have the upmost sympathy for you. You may not think you are strong, but what you did was the one of the bravest things I have seen

cockapoo Hugely brave of you to go on tv to say what you needed to say on behalf of vulnerable women and to post on here. Thank you so much.

@CockapooMum

Thank you for speaking out, I can't imagine how difficult that must have been for you.

You worry you didn't come across well - I think you should know there's nothing for you to worry about.

You came across as honest and heartfelt. You were clear about how you felt on the issue.

I don't want to sound patronising but I can't think of another way to articulate that you should be damn proud for speaking out

CockapooMum - I already said it upthread, but now you are "here", well done for doing this, you were ace

I’m outside the U.K., and so far I can only see the segments on Twitter. Almost all of them show women making genuine reasoned arguments and being listened to. Whoever chose those clips has done us proud in showing that we are not the hate-filled bigots that the thanks-lobby say we are.

Emma, you came across as very genuine and reasonable. Thanks.

CockapooMum

Thank you for your courage.

You spoke really well and clearly.

I'm sure the two TIMs on the panel are perfectly nice people in a general setting but what you said completely exposed them as male. Their face were blank and confused - it was clear they had no comprehension that their presence could trigger a woman survivor with PTSD. They didn't get it - they will never get it - because they are male.

Every woman watching got it.

You did that. You brought that clarity. Well done.

Root referred to needing a safe space having been beaten up by three men in the film. They do not seem to have any clue as to what women’s refuges exist for at all.

cockapoomum you were brilliant and I'm so grateful to you. You took a massively brave step standing up for women. Thank you.

Root referred to needing a safe space having been beaten up by three men in the film. They do not seem to have any clue as to what women’s refuges exist for at all.

Well, quite. Gay bashing is awful and we should do more as a society against it. The attacks on TIMs are a result of male homophobia, not domestic abuse. These are not the same. The three men who attacked Root weren't going to stalk Root for years, threaten Root's children, keep Root a prisoner in Root's own home, or control Root's finances, friendship groups and social life, all under the threat of violence.

Root suffered a one-off attack, which was terrible. But it had nothing to do with domestic violence and the needs of women trying to escape it.

Yet again - totally revealing of Root as a male with male socialisation and no comprehension of women's lives whatsoever.

cookapoomum I thought you were brilliant too. Well done for speaking out. So very brave of you to do that. You did indeed bring clarity to the debate. Thank you!

Regarding Paris Lees, it's always smoke and mirrors, a deflection of the real issues. No debate from Lees, so why partake in the debate then?

That's a very good point lang.

Thank you for your support and kind messages I’ve been overwhelmed by it all and it’s definitely helped strengthen me going forward.

That’s an interesting point from @LangCleg about Rebecca saying she had been attacked but as you say that was a one off attack and whilst I have every sympathy in that being attacked by anyone is awful to go thru it is completely different to Domestic Abuse where it is ongoing and much harder to escape it and stay safe so refuges are very much needed. 2 women a week are murdered by their ex partner.

I’ve been out of the relationship for over a year now and am still having to deal with my ex going thru the courts as he continually stalks and harasses me. We’re at 13+ breaches of restraining order now, am classed as high risk and I fear he will never stop and I’ll never be free from him. The only time I can breathe is when he’s in prison which he is at the moment on remand. I’ve been let down badly in the past by Criminal Justice System (that’s a whole other thread) but am hoping this time he’ll get a tougher prison sentence as we’re going to crown court.

Refuges need to remain women only. I was so badly traumatised at the time I went in there I needed that intense support from the workers and to feel safe and not at all threatened. They obviously had males visiting at times to undertake repairs but we were told in advance so had the option of staying out the way which I did.

I’m so grateful for the support I’m still receiving from my local women’s aid who are providing me with trauma based counselling which is helping and I’m not limited to a short number of sessions as I would be under normal NHS counselling. All this needs to be provided by female refuge workers and counsellors who have some understanding of what you have been thru and can help pull you thru some of the most difficult days of your life. I can honestly say I wouldn’t be here without their support.

The three men who attacked Root weren't going to stalk Root for years, threaten Root's children, keep Root a prisoner in Root's own home, or control Root's finances, friendship groups and social life, all under the threat of violence.

Exactly. Thank you LangCleg

I don't know whether I get infuriated or profoundly shocked over men's complete lack of comprehension about women's lives.

Especially in rape refuges!

This insane quest for validation any cost is monstrous in these circumstances.

I’ve been let down badly in the past by Criminal Justice System (that’s a whole other thread)

This is what I find so incredibly frustrating. There are so many areas we need to be working on and where austerity cuts have impacted women survivors of DV - from cross examination by women's abusers in family courts, to cuts in legal aid and cuts in services.

But instead we are being derailed by a bunch of trans-identified males with exactly the same problem as the bloody abusers - the view of women's boundaries and consent as a frontier to be overcome.

I think you are brilliant, CockapooMum. I wish you well and I hope your abuser gets the punishment he deserves and you get the safety you deserve.

CockapooMum. Thank you for being so brave and speaking out. And I'm sorry for what are have been through, and what you are going through now.

Thank you for speaking out
Xxxxx

Well done CockerpooMum, you were brilliant. Thanks for speaking out.

I also wondering why Rebecca brought up being attacked on the street. No one goes to a refuge for that situation. Does Rebecca think they do?

Finally got an hour's peace to get this watched off iPlayer.

Cockapoo you were brilliant! Well done. They couldn't argue with your excellent points.

Dr Nic and Sarah were fantastic. No shouting them down and I loved the way they kept bringing it back to male violence.

Both transwomen looked confused at times, especially the pink haired one. Like they were being asked to consider this for the first time ever... like they were new to this. Does that make sense?

Adding my thanks and admiration to all who took part. There is such a desperate need to have these conversations... and more, much deeper ones.
I would like to know more though such as, the high level of hate crime levels quoted at the beginning- what do these refer to? I understand for example that some people experience the use of previous names and pronouns to be violent. I
I thought there was a considerable amount of bias insofar that the interviewer, Rebecca expressed similar viewpoints in the final discussion to both Paris Lees and Heather Peto. It would have been balanced if for example Sarah Ditun might have interviewed them in the middle segment.
This conversation needs to be opened up.... it matters!