TIM rights to sex with lesbians

[Janie143]

I have no words !! Sorry I can't seem to do clicky link gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/dana-beyers-rotting-lesbian-iceberg/

Apparently lesbians are meant to be exclusively attracted to long hair and makeup, which would be hilarious if it wasn't so offensive.

For the AGPs it is a con game and they don't care.
For some though I think that once they abracadabra themselves into believing they are women because they have always like sparkle pony so their dick must be a girl dick it probably is not that much more difficult to imaginary themselves into transbians. For them it is a faith based belief system that they are entirely committed to and looking for recruits or children to groom.

A large number of non-trans lesbians — those who’ve come of age in a world colored by second-wave feminism and enveloped in scientific ignorance — simply do not accept that trans women are women or that trans men are men.

Scientific ignorance? That’s an oxymoron if ever there was one. Damned science, peddling their errr facts.

Seriously, I know it’s late at night, I’m up with an insomniac baby but have I honestly read that just right, that according to Dana Beyer - ‘scientific ignorance’ is not believing that men are women?

Maybe I’m getting all confuddled, what with having ladybrain n’all

GRA should be reformed. But the opposite way. Nobody convicted of sex offences or DV offences to be allowed one, ever. To get one should require a comprehensive psychiatric assessment to check risk to others - no narcs allowed.

If we have to have it, definitely this.

Thing is, let's say that we pretended that trans women were actually women in some metaphysical sense. So what? Lesbians still wouldn't be attracted to them, and we know this because lesbians aren't attracted to them. Attraction is physical. If we renamed liver, which I hate the smell and taste and texture of, and called it deliciouswondermeat instead, and you put a plate of it in front of me, I still wouldn't want to eat it, because it's not the label that I find unappealing, it's the smell, taste, and texture.

If we renamed liver, which I hate the smell and taste and texture of, and called it deliciouswondermeat instead, and you put a plate of it in front of me, I still wouldn't want to eat it, because it's not the label that I find unappealing

Exactly this ^

I'm happy calling people by their preferred pronouns and acknowledging the gender they feel they are, and when I've been hit on by transwomen, I've politely declined (in the way I would with anyone I wasn't attracted to).

If someone were getting aggressive or pushy about sex, that would be a turn-off in itself so it wouldn't be happening anyway.

I don't feel threatened by someone drawing a Venn diagram that purports to be about me. People can obviously say what they like but this doesn't change what happens (or doesn't happen) in my bed.

The assumption underlying the idea that lesbians should accept dick is that female sexual attraction or pleasure is simply irrelevant to male entitlement to sex.

Dana Beyers is not the only one. Julia Serrano has written about this too. When people say that the Cotton Ceiling thing is made up to discredit TIMs, it's simply not true.

I'm just watching an old 'how I met your mother' and there was a 'joke' in it about barney pretending to be a lesbian to pull one. I fail to see the difference.

"What is terrifying is the "risk assessments" done by Scottish Women's aid etc have been blinkered to this and have assumed that the proportion of TIM is tiny with no concept of AGPs"

Do you think these TIMs will be part of any survey or study? Of course not. Drive the agenda but when someone gooey eyed SJW comes along send the people with the real mental problems.

Funny how once the T became "Transgender" instead of Transsexual, it took about five minutes to stop worrying about actual discrimination (eg. In housing and employment,) to obsess about getting into 1.Wherever girls/womens are in a state of undress, and 2. Lesbians' beds.

You'd think that'd wake most "allies" up to what T is about these days

I'm just watching an old 'how I met your mother' and there was a 'joke' in it about barney pretending to be a lesbian to pull one. I fail to see the difference.

Wouldnt be allowed now. Remember when Eddie izzard used to joke that he was a male lesbian and everyone laughed? Now it seems he actually believes it. It's astounding how quickly this ideology has taken hold.

Telling the truth is “transphobia,” eh? I am so surprised, not.

To be strictly fair, this is the constant conflict.

Vocal, bullying autogynephiles, are a completely different kettle of fish to androphillic men with gender dysphoria.

They are like chalk and cheese.

Depending who you know in real life, or where you visit on the Internet, your opinion of transwomen will be informed by which type you know or come across.

The way some autogynephiles talk really is quite dreadful. They can be quite open about their conflicting feelings over women, which seem to inhabit both envy/hate and lust at the same time.

It's chilling. We're all used to men lusting, but the envy part just feels very alien.

Then you get quite regular transwomen, who I might disagree with, but apart from that come across as completely normal.

There is always, always a distinction to be made.

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Whatever your views your final comment is transphobic

There are not many truly transphobic comments made on here...but when there is it is usually reported and deleted

There is an interesting AMA by a gay Iranian man on /r/gendercritical on reddit at the moment - of course, the the transitioning of gays and lesbians is encouraged in Iran. He's asked if straight guys transition. He replies:
'There's definitely those who transition just because they think they're female as the overriding reason (like they say that if they didn't think they were the opposite sex they wouldn't transition even though they're gay/lesbian), but I haven't heard of a straight male transitioning to become a "lesbian" trans woman for example.'

To a certain extent, this makes sense in an anti-gay society but it does make me wonder and it does point to it being an indulged fetishization in the West.

This just makes me utterly depressed. I had a child because I thought the world was getting better. My baby was a daughter, and I thought she won't have to go through the sort of shit I had when growing up - from kerb-crawling to Judges victim-blaming in rape cases - but actually it's worse now. And my dd has been brain washed by this inclusionary stuff, to the extent that we no longer speak of it.

Despite her strength in coping with rape by a lt boyfriend, and being stalked and harrassed by another, she only sees that her trans friends are having an awful time and we should do all we can to stop that. I agree, but not at the expense of natal women, which is the bit she and her friends don't see, simply don't see it.

She and her circle of friends haven't grasped just how dangerous this all is. They are still teens (just), and simply don't see it.