This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters

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"If you’re a Mum and on mn that often to have time to engage with ‘feminist’ forums, you’re more likely to be a ‘stay at home mum’. These are bored middle-class women putting their privileged Uni-educated thoughts to oppressing a small, vulnerable, oppressed sector of society"

Nice bit of sexism going on there

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Helen is complaining now that people are on here who don't have children.

Thick or what.

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Yes, that bit stood out for me. They did their best to stop him playing with girls' toys!

It makes me horribly uncomfortable. Because of the damaging ignorance over how gender stereotyping works.

Helen is complaining now that people are on here who don't have children.

How terrible that a large forum with many sections that are not about kids, has childless people on it. How horrific. There are also MEN on here. And trans people. Get Helen some vapours, shes going to need them.

She's really not very good at covering her tracks, seeing as she's supposedly super-secret about having a trans child, she splashed all the details of her divorce on the internet using the same username as for her super-top-secret trans child.

I don't quite get her thing tbh, normally the parents of trans-identified children are very gung ho about publicising their kids, but she's making out it's all some sort of secret (albeit retrospectively having already revealed all) and her child is at risk

I thought we were bored SAHM who were misusing our degrees and that was why we couldn't voice our opinions? Are people who don't have DC not allowed to have any opinions either?

@TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole

The research already done on Lupron (though more needs to be done) doesn't look that good.

I'd certainly suggest calling it "not dangerous" was naive at best.

Based on the data available now, I can't understand why it's being given to children as adverse effects on bone density in adults are known.

Most info comes from children who were treated for precocious puberty. This treatment was then co-opted by trans "supportive" medical professionals but there is doubt as to whether it should even have been licensed for precocious puberty. It's also worth noting the drugs label denotes usages before the ages of 8/9 years for female/male children respectively. The drug is routinely prescribed for children significantly older.

https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

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AbbVie Inc., the company that now makes the drug, said Lupron safety studies were submitted to the FDA before it approved the medication for Central Precocious Puberty in 1993. The drug’s label defines the condition as the onset of sexual characteristics before age 8 in girls and before 9 in boys.

“Uses beyond those contained in the approved label are considered unapproved uses,” company spokesman Morry Smulevitz said in an email.

Federal records show that the FDA official who led the drug approval process two decades ago was troubled by the two studies he reviewed. In a 1993 letter obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, former FDA medical officer Dr. Alexander Fleming wrote in a memo for the drug approval file that it was “regrettable” that the panel approved the drug after minimal study.

Quite an interesting insight into the rigid thinking, though. A website called Mumsnet can obviously only be used by mothers and ideally only mothers who don't work outside the home because the others aren't really mums.

My mother started saying that me and my sibling were 'the wrong sex' when I was 9 and my sibling was 6. The memory of it, is one of my clearest and most vivid. I was playing with cars and he was playing with dolls at the time.

Is it really that strange that my sibling now says they have always known they were the wrong sex and they have known it from an early age? They transitioned in their late twenties after a family friend did so a couple of years earlier.

I could tell you the story of that family too. We all grew up together. Its not a shocker.

Part of me would like to believe that its just me being bitter and is an anecdote which just fits the narrative. The other part of me, fears both our families really do fit into a pattern.

Neither options are great for me on a personal level. Me being bitter would be better for others.

The Yorkshire Evening Post broke my heart and made me want to throw things. Jackie has been failed by her mum and all the adults around her .

Re mermaids and AG I think it's the elephant in the room that they avoid talking about by "focusing" on trans children

YY. Trans kids are so important to the cause as it "proves" that trans is innate, and can't be a fetish because kids are trans.

The research already done on Lupron (though more needs to be done) doesn't look that good.

I know, but they disregard that as it was not done on 'transkids', yet block any research as it is transphobic! You would think that transactivists would want as much research as possible to go into all things trans, so as to find out how best to treat these people. But seemingly, they don't, there must be a reason for this.

Mind, even if proper research was done that conclusively proved that Lupron was dangerous and should not be used, it would be countered with 'the risks are worth it, as without it the child will kill itself'. Like, where were all of these suicidal kids 10 years ago when this was not a treatment regime/ Surely they would still have been suicidal then? How come, if 50% of transkids attempt suicide, there are not actual figures for this. Only self selecting surveys, manipulated beyond belief? So dangerous, the way they misuse suicide stats to try and shut up dissenting voices, and smear anyone concerned about the actual health of the children as transphobes.

So they're now applying pressure to Mumsnet sponsors to cut ties with them and "stop funding hate".

Interesting.

I wonder how long Justine will hold out.

Didn’t someone else try that. I suspect this would backfire.

I am sure more sponsors will be lining up to take their place, if any pull out. The site seems to be busier now than I have ever seen it, and sponsors go on clicks and such, not the content posted. Surely most sponsors will agree with the gender critical stance anyway, given its the common sense approach.

I don't understand why anyone can possibly think that counselling a child, tackling stereotypes and making sure they do not take drugs that damage bones for ever is "hate".

It comes under child protection.

That insult is so male exclusive. I feel my entire existence on MN is being denied by Helen, this is literal violence!

That is so sad, about playing with dolls and having them taken away. My youngest girl loved Thomas the tank engine and had trains she played with and wore boys clothes. She is now 12 and loves to wear black and experiments with make up and the amount of glitter drives me insane...
She just picks and chooses what she likes and doesn't care what people think. And that is how it should be.
But all of this, this all just makes me sad.

It's so frustrating that a place where women discuss and share our thoughts and ideas is now being attacked because we are of course 'transphobic'

So they're now applying pressure to Mumsnet sponsors to cut ties with them and "stop funding hate".

LOL

How do you know Mogle? I imagine MN has been under this kind of pressure for some time though, which is why I am very grateful that the discussion has not been closed down.

This is going to be such a shit show of litigation in a few years time, when all these poor kids become adults

Yeah, without the 12 million women who post on mumsnet, advertisers would have no platform.

We are their customers.

And there are very few women who visit this site who believes in a pink brain/blue brain. (it's not just the feminist boards, it's the widespread opinion).

Transactivists will get nowhere pressuring HQ. And I admire HQs determination to allow debate to flourish.

I think there was a time where they were unsure. But, it seems to me, as though they have correctly identified a zeitgeist. In tune with public opinion. You only have to take a look at any below the line comments, to see that.

And TRAs having a massive tantrum at them, would be all the proof they needed.

Like, where were all of these suicidal kids 10 years ago when this was not a treatment regime/ Surely they would still have been suicidal then?

Excellent point. Where were they in my generation, or my parents or grandparents. If this is not a social phenomenon, why can't we find mass suicide in gender non-conforming youth from all across history?

Thinking more about the AG perspective and Mermaids, I think there is a general aversion to thinking about the possibly that a teenage male wanting to transition could wish to do so for this reason.

It's not something a parent wants to think about and something it feels uncomfortable (even as I type) to consider.

I'm very doubtful that if this was the case, the child in question would admit this nor would it be explored by family/counselling. Easier all round to go with the mind/body theory.

Having said that we know teenagers are being exposed to all sorts of online porn (with a whole number of serious repercussions wrt their attitude to sexual relationships and normalisation of a variety of sexual practices) and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that for some trans children this is a factor.

It's a difficult topic to talk/think about and therefore something Mermaids are unlikely to be challenged about.

Mother issues much Helen?