Vegans are now TERFs?! Here's the barrel, for scraping the bottom of...

[ShotsFired]

From the Hell No, We Won't Go FB page (www.facebook.com/nevergoinganywhere/) which itself linked it from the Everyday Meninism page)

But there’s no need to resort to inaccurate and harmful tropes about biology and reproductive organs to make a point.

Also, "Trope" really?

Oh ffs. Just when you think it can't get worse...

And actually males can experience "injustice" too.

Prize cows etc can be milked of their sperm, usually by an electric probe up their bottom, for it to be frozen and sent off to be used around the world

Well now I need a vegan/TERF related new username, but then people will start with the "how can you tell if someone is a vegan" jokes and my feelz will hurt

Male animals are often killed off young and females kept for breeding and milk. Now I realise the farmer is being transphobic. Many of those young bulls and rams might well identify as female.

Prize cows cannot be milked for their sperm, unless they are transbulls. All cows are biologically female.

Won't anyone think of the poor trans cows?

Now, extreme vegan women who come into feminist spaces and try to divert all conversations to animals / and say that the suffering of animals is as bad as / worse than women so feminists should stop worrying about women and girls and start doing animal rights instead, they get on my tits.

This, however, gets on my tits even more.

What do they want the farmers to say, to do, to decide which baby animals are to be raised for milk and which for meat? Which ones should go in the field togther with which if they don't want any pregnancies this year?

This is the most completely fucking stupid thing I've read in a long time.

i suppose one should separate the animals based on whether they have a fancy walk and a simpering expression, or whether they enjoy watching football. Or something.

I am both a vegan and a feminist. I can see how the feminist argument gets borrowed by vegans, but in my head they're pretty separate; stop taking commercial advantage of animals, and stop treating women as lesser because of their biology.

Even my fairly argumentative DH has been unable to find any redeeming features in this one and has asked me, seriously, if women would like some help from the men in debunking this bullshit. I have told him that such help would be very welcome as sadly other men are more likely to listen when one of their own speaks up

Yes I agree that there are massive issues with the meat / dairy / etc industries but that it is a separate topic.

Also true sadly that men are more likely to listen when men speak up about this, so he can have at it as far as I'm concerned!

Then they came for the vegan feminists.

I was not a vegan feminist, so i did not say anything...

I thought everyday feminism closed down,
Was that just the YouTube channel? What happened there?

Bullocks, bollocks, it's all the same

feminists should stop worrying about women and girls and start doing animal rights instead, they get on my tits.

This, however, gets on my tits even more.

Udders, I think you mean...

I can't believe there are transphobic farmers assuming the gender of their livestock...absolutely shocking What about the sheep that were wrongly assigned as cows at birth (Or vice versa) this shit is serious, someone think of the AFAC sheep.

It's just... I can't even... You think you're beyond being shocked by how utterly batshit mental translogic is and then... Wow. It hits you all over again, and again, and again... repeatedly peaking.

Make it stop! Please!

Is this definitely for real? What the actual fuck?

I need a new word, 'peak' isn't cutting it anymore. I have reached Trans Critical Mass

if women would like some help from the men in debunking this bullshit

You actually mean 'bull or transcowshit', surely?

So this is obviously batshit (I looked it up here just to be on the safe side, there is no sex-based distinction of nouns for bats), but it's also definitely crossed into so bonkers it's fun again territory.

I saw this somewhere the other week:

If it's got a fanny, it's a nanny.
If it's got a willy, it's a billy.

(Yes I know that's goats not cows)

Is that from The Onion?

In the case of TRAs I'd say "if it's got a willy its a silly billy"

Fucking hell, makes me want to stab myself with bacon.

Fucking hell, makes me want to stab myself with bacon.

In fairness, given the lack of a pig based dairy industry, you're probably okay with bacon.

Or something

I'm vegan and feminist and sometimes those 2 thinga cross over but never did i think it was through the intersection of these two things would i be labeled transphobic.
What am i supposed to do? Check with my dog I'm using the right pronouns?
Just when you think you've peaked...

What am i supposed to do? Check with my dog I'm using the right pronouns?

How do you know you even have a dog? If you haven't even checked zir pronouns you may be cruelly misspeciesing your poor transcat!

I think the point is that now unless you are actually currently speaking about trans rights at all times, and in the manner allowable, you are being super trans exclusionary.