The age of the sex dolls

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Someone sent me a link to this 'sex doll brothel' in Glasgow; I thought it was an isolated phenomenon but apparently there's more cropping up, in Paris also of all places! They are very expensive and look a lot more realistic than those plastic dolls with a hole for a mouth!
I don't know whether to be relieved that someone will shag a doll instead of treating a woman as such, or despair at the state of societal disfunction...
www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/uks-first-sex-doll-brothel-14274617

Bloke here. I assure you we can have a quick shufty without becoming incapable. And frankly, not to be too explicit, without doing that regularly it gets pretty uncomfortable.

Aw, poor baby. We definitely care about your blue balls and accept that as a reason why there should be an underclass of women whose wellbeing is sacrificed to ensure that men can get off when they feel like it.

I have absolutely zero patience with this shit and will not be pandering to some bloke's hurty feelings about how mean it is for women to point out that prostitution is not a freely made choice for most of the women involved in it.

Okay. If the tone of debate is "poor baby" comments, etc. I'll leave. I joined mainly to post some information on the trans threads. I'll confine myself to that in future. I'm obviously not a good fit here.

Not my fault if you haven't thought through the implications of the things you're saying and aren't fond of feminist analysis, mate.

Oldman poster:
'I said prostitution does not prevent rape'

The argument that is does or doesn't prevent rape is nonsensical to me!!

It's like saying, 'people often raped prevents people being raped.'

(Yes there are consenting sex workers. Before anyone says. But also sex trafficked women or women with no option, ect).

Is the dutch study saying that prostitutes are never raped then? Legal brothels, for ex, in Germany have been linked to pimps and enforced prostitution. The study would have to look at rape numbers within prostitution and a distribution of recorded rape is? So it is a bit like saying, it 'prevents it against good girls.'

Crosspost. Saw others addressed this. It's sad to see that you can't rethink oldman? Not ganging up. I've changed my mind on things on here

The problem @OldmanOfTheWeb is that you can't see that there is a fundamental issue with consent and prostitution.

If you remove all the trafficked women, the addicted women, the women in crippling poverty, the women who were sexually abused and/or prostituted as children, the coerced women, the women whose partners encourage their prostitution... you are left with how many actual happy, care-free, freely consenting women? And how on earth do you know which are which? The issue is that men that use sex workers neither make it their business to find out, nor care, if this is the case. They pay their money and rent the inside of another human. They are rapists. Because they haven't sought actual consent for sex.

So yes, sex work moves rape onto the most vulnerable women. And conveniently makes it impossible to prosecute. Clever plan. If you're happy to ignore the really awful lives most of these women are living.

Oldman, you're missing the point. Setting aside for the moment the concept that prostituted sex is actually rape because you can't buy consent, It doesn't matter a jot to feminists if that study is good, bad or indifferent.

It's that it asks and answers the wrong question.

It asks "Does men being able to sexually abuse prostitutes prevent them from sexually abusing non-prostituted women?". That's a terrible question. And in fact, from my cursory reading this morning, that first New York study has a number of flaws. I haven't time to read the rest right now. (their mechanism for the prevalence of sex crimes is "stop and frisk", so they are likely missing significant numbers, and they don't seem to ask the prostitutes if in fact they are being sexually assaulted, so who knows? Maybe the location of the crimes just moved, and in fact, the level remains unchanged and only the population affected differs).

What you're failing to grasp is that any analysis which takes as a given that men have irrepressible sexual and possibly violent urges that they simply must vent onto a woman or a woman-shaped sex robot is unlikely to pass muster in feminist debate. Your comment about the absolute need to wank only cements the fact that you've never challenged this view, in yourself or others.

The feminist starting point is to challenge the idea of male sexual entitlement, or at least to be aware of its existence as a thing. So there's no point in getting all flouncey if that's explained to you.

And it might also help to know that there is nothing quite like a thread about prostitution to draw a certain type of male poster here to tell women about why being able to buy sex is crucial and we need to STFU.