The age of the sex dolls

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Someone sent me a link to this 'sex doll brothel' in Glasgow; I thought it was an isolated phenomenon but apparently there's more cropping up, in Paris also of all places! They are very expensive and look a lot more realistic than those plastic dolls with a hole for a mouth!
I don't know whether to be relieved that someone will shag a doll instead of treating a woman as such, or despair at the state of societal disfunction...
www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/uks-first-sex-doll-brothel-14274617

Why would any of those characteristics make a man incapable of forming a relationship with a sentient human being? It would obviously affect their opportunity, but that's not the same as being incapable.

I'm saying that studies show men who would sexually assault will in many cases go to prostitutes instead when available

Really Oldman are you saying that when prostitutes are not available, then men will sexually assault women?

What you are also saying is that it's acceptable to sexually assault prostitutes to prevent sexual assault within good decent girls.

Reminds me of this

www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/dec/13/suffolkmurders.gender

Trigger warning for Oldman it's an article written by Julie Bindel.

caroldecker
I think the difference is that a vibrator is a tool, otherwise women would order a male sex doll as well? Mind you I think they DO make those as well, but I don't know who the target consumer is!
Also, with the female sex doll there is the option of getting only the upper torso with a head (which you can change), which might make it more of a 'sex tool'.
I'd rather shag a living human being, but each to their own...

My experience of men who use women who are sex workers is that they aren't incapable because of those characteristics of forming sexual relationships. They just aren't able to fuck young, attractive, pretending to be willing partners who are available to them at all times to do whatever they want.

I know many many men with disabilities, less traditionally attractive and with lower social skills who have girlfriends and wives. Hell I've gone out with some. But male entitlement doesn't allow some men to believe that if they are less physically attractive with low social skills, that's likely what they will be looking at in a partner. It's classic male entitlement to sex.

Why would any of those characteristics make a man incapable of forming a relationship with a sentient human being? It would obviously affect their opportunity, but that's not the same as being incapable.

That's nitpicking. If you have repeatedly tried and have been unsuccessful, then you are, to all intents and purposes, incapable. Are you seriously suggesting there are not thousands of men (and women) out there who would love to experience a sexual relationship but for whatever reason have not been able to?

I think it's pretty hateful (and ignorant) to suggest disability precludes anyone from being attractive as a potential sexual and/or romantic partner to a real, live person, thedancingbear.

I think vibrators are plastic imitations of the real thing, and are hideous. Mind you, you don't nag them to take out the bins or get angry when they avoid cleaning out the toilet bowl. I threw mine out in the recycling bin. Rarely used, twice, I couldn't actually sell it on.

Of course there are. That's doesn't mean that they would obviously want to have access to sex dolls instead.

And they still wouldn't be experiencing a sexual relationship if they used one of these dolls.

@thedancingbear No one is entitled to sex, nor do they need it.

The most coercive men in terms of sex, rapey too, I've had sex with are those considered 'alpha' males, the top 5%, the creme de la creme. I would guess they would have no guilt when it comes to using prostitutes.

I think it's pretty hateful (and ignorant) to suggest disability precludes anyone from being attractive as a potential sexual and/or romantic partner to a real, live person, thedancingbear

I respectfully disagree. A close relative, whom I love as much as anyone in the world, is disabled and has found that a huge barrier to finding a life partner.

No one is entitled to sex, nor do they need it

I agree.

Sorry, I should add, anyone who disregards a potential boyfriend or girlfriend based purely on a disability is arguably a bit of a wanker, but sadly it does happen.

It is not inevitable, disabled people are not precluded from relationships. It isn't more likely that they will want to use sex dolls because it is (much) harder to form a relationship.

I am willing to change my mind on this, but my current thinking is that I judge any men who use sex dolls like this, as that's what they think about women. And yes, sex dolls aren't women, but we as humans anthropomorphise anything, given the slightest opportunity. Look at the Pixar lamp, ffs! I don't believe for a second that the men using these dolls don't invest some feeling into them, see them as they see women.

I'm all for men using things like fleshlights, if they want to, as they are a mechanism, not 3D porn. (I remember a Sunday magazine supplement with a "what are you packing" holiday feature, and an aid worker who had his kit photographed was excoriated for having a fleshlight with the rest of his kit, and I remember thinking "good on him for having it, at least he won't be abusing local women...")

Anyone can disregard anyone as a sexual partner for any reason. I exclude people on incredibly shallow and personal lines. My vagina isn't subject to the Equality Act.

Also, I have to admit, I looked at that bloke who owned the doll, considered how lazy many twenty-something men are at cleaning, and thought "yuk".

Oh, I agree, TheButterfly. I was just making the point that being disabled doesn't map 1:1 on being unable to attract a partner.

My vagina isn't subject to the Equality Act.

I want a t shirt of this

Totally @ArcheryAnnie I agree and know many people with disabilities in very happy relationships.

I'm selling t-shirts!

If I put a slightly used vibrator up for sale would there be any takers?

It would probably end up on AIBU

If a man put up a sex doll for sale, used, I bet he would get a sale.

Oh and taking a flesh light to a country that needs aid is questionable to say the least.

If you’d bought it from Lovehoney, you could send it back for a full refund, no quibbles.
Apparently.

Elendon - the sort of people who would buy a used vibrator are not the sort of people you want to deal with, I would have thought...

Fleshlights.... Don't google while eating lunch....

I just googled flesh lights and nearly choked on my tea

I too think these could be more likely to be detrimental to women.

I’m seeing a vision of the future where women can be replaced by these and virtual reality porn as a pp mentioned - with robots fulfilling other functions that are traditionally seen as “women’s” work.

What place will be left for us then ? Such a large proportion of society already doesn’t see us as people.

I think it was “living dolls” that talks about sex/strip clubs and so on leading to a rise in sexual assaults on local women presumably something to do with the dehumanising of women that occurs in them.