Never thought I'd start a trans thread...

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I came across this and found it very interesting- but not as interesting as the comments below it.

mirandayardley.com/en/what-autogynephilia-is-and-what-is-it-not-a-brief-note/

Might help with the bleaching, I suppose...

Why don't Credit Suisse accommodate furries and cosplayers as well?

Give it time...

Wankphobic - Brilliant!

Although those comments may have been sympathy inducing, I would urge caution.

AGPs are known to voraciously eat through trust, money, relationships.

It has affected my sex life,she says she has less desire due to her medications plus age which could be true but maybe she has closed off due to me being AGP.Through careful communication you can save your marriage she needs to be better informed of your condition.

^ this is a bit chlling, too me. She clearly doesn't want sex with a man who thinks he's a woman and fetishises her own womanhood, and he thinks she just needs a damn good talking to.

This thread was started by the wives (or ex-wives), of autogynephiles.

It's a heartbreaking read.

And whilst I can find compassion for men who have a condition through no fault of their own, it's hugely overshadowed by my compassion for the women who are married to them.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Furry day at the office! I'm sure that wearing the costumes complete with cartoony animal head will not negatively impact employee performance in any way.

Oh the comments from AGP men are alternately vomit worthy and infuriating, for sure. If you truly believe that you're a womanly woman who is 100% laydee, then, well, you didn't marry a lesbian, so of course she wants a divorce.*

*Please leave bisexual women out of this, I've seen a bit off "well they should hook up with women who're bi" on Tumblr etc. and most of us are no more interested in playing pretend than straight women are.

Unless the 'women' concerned have a cock, it seems!

Because women with cocks don’t do annoying things like have babies or periods.
Also, because men don’t find them sexual attractive they can work with them without the danger of molesting them.

I clicked the link to the Anne Lawrence essay on “Shame and Narcissistic Rage in Autogynephilic Transsexualism” and this jumped out at me:
Autogynephilic transsexuals may also find it harder to fully identify with women after transition than before, because the differences they inevitably observe between themselves and natal women become harder to rationalize after transition.

In other words, actually allowing and encouraging them to transition will make them hate women even more. So no wonder the hatred is so palpable. The last thing doctors should be doing is to encourage these people.

I've made that observation before, Triliteration, and been told that doing so is hateful and crossing the line from legit gender crit to transphobia.

It's still true, though.

Pip's achievements have nothing to do with supporting women in the workplace, unlike the other 49 women on this list. When will people wake up and realise this? Transwomen aren't women

"AGP or what?"

yea, the more I read people tweet ridiculous nonsense on twitter, the more I think they are all freaks. Indoctrinated/brainwashed drones.

Take this CS guy, an award for women in an industry where there are severely underrepresented went to a guy whose fetish is to pretend to be a woman from time to time. Moreover, whatever he does do in a dress, is built on a career as a man that is still ongoing. As a woman, he achieved fuck all in business.

Datun, totally agree. I didn't read them and feel sympathy for the men with AGP. What was refreshing though was the acceptance that they have AGP and are not women in a man's body. And the comments regretting transition and the impact of AGP TIMs. Very clear recognition of the situation.

4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing

People feel they are the wrong gender for a variety of reasons, AGP is one of them.

AngryAttackKittens

I've seen TIMs say that sleeping with a woman who is bi is all wrong, for them.

Because he worries she is enjoying his 'maleness', it doesn't make him feel like a woman.

Deeply suspicious that she is attracted to him as a man, not a woman.

Women can't win.

picklemepopcorn

I got mired in some sub Reddit threads written by AGP individuals.

I did, genuinely, feel a little sorry for them. The binge/purge aspect. The shame, guilt. The fact that it was such an obsession, to the exclusion of everything else. The porn addiction that was so negative.

Quite frankly, it sounded horrific.

Then some posters were talking about their compulsive envy of women. How they want to 'hate fuck' them. But it was the wording used, how women's mannerisms and hair and laughter can strike jealousy into the heart of these men.

They truly didn't see a person. It's how we sometimes feel that these men are donning a costume, of womanhood. That's exactly how they saw women. A superficial collection of visual characteristics.

Quite frankly, it was an eye opening window into men's objectification of women.

And made me realise all the more how gender is so very damaging. Seeing women as a series of things to be exploited, subjugated, or used.

I've said this before, and it's not a flippant comment - if feminism was taught in schools, I truly think we could address this within a generation. Not just transgenderism, but attitudes in general.

Can you teach 'feminism' without provoking a back lash from boys and their parents? It would need to be called gender politics, perhaps. In my son's peer group, one of the girlfriends is a feminist. One of the boys then became very anti. I've known him since he was a baby, and he is surrounded by strong women, but the existence of feminism enraged him. I think he is now mellowing.

*I've seen TIMs say that sleeping with a woman who is bi is all wrong, for them.

Because he worries she is enjoying his 'maleness', it doesn't make him feel like a woman.

Deeply suspicious that she is attracted to him as a man, not a woman.

Women can't win.*

I dunno, if AGP's don't want to sleep with me I'd definitely consider that a win.

Ugh, bold fail.

Phil Bunce can get stuffed, bringing his wank fantasies to work and having everyone fawn over him. Tit.

I work in the same industry and this week, one of our peers reported that they have a 70% bonus gap between male and female. 70-fucking-per-cent handicap for having a vagina. And what does Pip do to help address that? If they are deluded enough to record him as a woman (please don't be that dim, CS), then what he actually does is make the situation look like it's getting better, while he trousers the cash And meanwhile, picks up an award for womanning better than all the other women! The cheek! The brass neck of the man!

Fuck the fucking fuck off, Philip, you self centred bellend.

then what he actually does is make the situation look like it's getting better

Well he’s making the gender bonus gap smaller if he’s wearing his wife’s knickers when he picks it up

That's apparently all it takes, these days, simon.

Beats the hell out of actually addressing the woeful sexism still rife in the city, eh? Just pop a frock on a bloke one day a week and that pesky pay gap starts to look a lot narrower. Back pats all round. Job done.

Meanwhile, this past week, one of my friends has been forced off the trading floor because she had the audacity to want to carry on her hedge fund career after having a child. Management making sad faces, giving it "we understand that you can't give as much as you used to, your priorities have changed, but the job is what it is".

So that's another woman out of a big money position and into the back room, but hey it's fine - she chose to do that!

I know that it's hard to care too much about some wealthy people being slightly less wealthy than other wealthy people, but it is still infuriariting and sexist and crap and it still happens, day in and day out and it makes me crazy. And arseholes like Phil are useful idiots to use as window dressing for how seriously these companies take "gender issues" while the real sexism is happening elsewhere.

Can you teach 'feminism' without provoking a back lash from boys and their parents?

No, you'd have to call it something else. Hopefully without the bloody word gender in it.

'History of the sexes'?

I don't see why we couldn't widen the term sex education to cover not just physical and reproductive issues but also the social implications of having a sexed body.

Definitely not a good idea currently to have the word gender attached to it although the definition of gender as a social construct could be introduced at a later point after pupils fully understand what XX and XY mean.

And arseholes like Phil are useful idiots to use as window dressing for how seriously these companies take "gender issues" while the real sexism is happening elsewhere

A women at CS nominated him, that's the saddest thing, an arsehole fangirl thinks this dude can advise on women's careers. If she realised he was a fetishist would she still think that way? He explains to everyone its not sexual and he has written guidelines for CS saying its "Expression". Well that's fair enough mate but it's a MAN THING NOT A WOMAN THING.