Labour are not losing women this week... poll bounces back.

[JenniferJames]

Latest @yougov poll calls into question the #labourlosingwomen narrative. Women Labour voters are up five percentage points from last week's poll (40 to 45). Possible a blip not a trend?

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 41% (+2)
CON: 40% (-3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
GRN: 2% (-1)

via @YouGov, 12 - 13 Feb

Full results: yougov.co.uk/news/2018/02/16/voting-intention-conservatives-40-labour-41-12-13-/

So Corbyn's Labour care enough about the polls to track the Women's vote intentions. At the same time anybody can tick the F box.

Nice bit of hypocrisy there.

Apparently there is no opposition whatsoever to self id outside of a few terfs on Twitter ...

I think it is the other way around. there is little support for ignoring biology and saying make and female people are exactly the same, outside of their little trans 'terfblocked' twitter stuff.

Wasn't there some kind of poll done on the general public where it turned out that something like 70% of people were against self-ID? Think it was some scottish poll. And the 70% was also without people knowing quite the extent this goes to aswell..

So many still think that 'trans' means transsexual (post op) and do not understand what self-ID actually means. Look at Corbyn for that one. I do think he does know mind you, but his answer when asked about self identifying women was 'they have gone through a long and difficult and painful process' or something..when no..self ID has no process at all

Labour should be losing women. Unless we vote with our feet, they don't give a shit.

I'd fully support you using some of the money we gave to fund a poll asking women voters if they had previously voted Labour but are not going to now. FWIW and for full disclosure, I didn't vote Labour in the last election; I spoiled my vote. I've voted for Labour since I was first eligible to vote in 1983.

This is getting serious folks and all parliamentarians are in the shit regarding Brexit at the moment.

Give them email bombing. Forget twitter.

Self Id could be a distraction for those the majority MPs who refuse to do anything about Brexit negotiations, and it's a shit pile of a headache.

They will happily diverse into Self Id and call you a bigot. Unfortunately.

What troubles me most about that poll is that UKIP gained.

I'd fully support you using some of the money we gave to fund a poll asking women voters if they had previously voted Labour but are not going to now.

I genuinely do not see the point in this given its a cross party issue anyway. Yes, Labour should be losing women, but many many will disagree with it but still not be sure about if they would NOT vote based on this issue, if that makes sense.

I didn't mean that to sound as sharp as it comes across, I apologize. I just think it could be a waste of some of the raised money, and people did donate to actually fight self-ID, not to be doing polls and such. People who do not actually care about Labour at all donated, so I don;t really think its a good thing to be doing research into Labour voters with their money.

Something has to break the dam at some point in terms of the general public having proper awareness. I'm not sure what that thing will be though because at the moment it seems that outside of a few spaces like MN no one is really connecting the dots up.

People see the absurdity in news stories like Hannah Mouncey but I think they view them as rare or isolated incidents that will never impinge on their lives.

Looking back at comparative issues in History what has been the turning point for those events? I know we had a thread discussing this but it's hard to find a modern example that is totally comparable.

A while back I thought it might be sport but with the Mouncey stuff now I'm not so sure. It's beginning to feel that nothing will be a step too far unless they find a way to disadvantage the straight men in a way that has them worried on mass.

The GoFundMe money should only go to the fight against self-ID on AWS. This alone could easily use up all the money (£20,000 is a tiny budget for any proper legal proceedings) in which case more would be needed. It would be harder to get more if potential donors could see that donated money had also been spent on other causes.

Agree naut

Fake News

Cover up! Some labour work experience boys saying let's all vote as women so we can then convince all those stupid mnetters that women love labour. How politicians must be laughing at us.

If my MP calls me a bigot over this I will talk to the local paper, this is a multicultural area and this will offend many women and their families who want and expect privacy.

My Labour MP thinks women who want women only spaces are bigots that need re-educating.

With this sort of attitude and full-on support for Self-Id, Labour are not only throwing women under the bus but will be driving straight over the electoral cliff-edge.

My thinking is that on present form the current government will not last the next 4 years, probably 2 years max before Tory infighting implodes. In which case, another leader - Boris, Mogg, Davies? Seld Id will definitely be binned by the Tories but if it is included in Labour or any other parties manifestos then it will be used as a weapon by the Tories and right wing media. I don't hold out much for the chances of virtue signallers like Chris Williamson or Clive Lewis or any in marginal constituences keeping their seats.

(Points up)

That's part of why I want Labour to sort themselves out on this issue, because I think that the Tories are starting to see continued support for self-ID as a vote loser, and if Labour goes the other way they'll then use it as a vote winner instead, especially in marginal seats.

Ultimately there's no way the current absurd "a man is a woman if he says so" state of affairs can last (she said, hopefully) so it's a matter of continuing to make the public aware of what's going on and what the consequences are, and finding ways to get the parties and the media to actually listen to what the public wants. Most people who're currently in the "oh it's not doing any harm why are you being so unkind?" camp seem to be under the impression that trans = fully transitioned post op transsexual, which is why I think self-ID is the point to hammer at right now, since fixing that disconnect clarifies a lot of issues very quickly.

Would really help if we could figure out a way to get the Guardian etc to stop feeding the public misleading information.

Kittens
I sometimes wonder who is puttiing money in The Guardian's empty coffers.

They have a "please donate" bit on most articles so clearly they're not rolling in dosh. Funny thing is that I used to want to work for them back in the day. Not any more.

Guardian's own article about the funding of the Guardian Media Group:

www.theguardian.com/gmg/2015/jul/23/funding

News organisations around the world can no longer rely solely on advertising and sales revenues. As Guardian Media Group looks beyond traditional sources of funding, the backing of third parties who are willing to support the Guardian’s journalism while respecting its editorial independence and freedom enable the coverage of important subjects that may too easily be neglected elsewhere. The Guardian works with a number of private foundations around the world who support specific projects.

Third parties. I note in the article that the Open Society Foundation is mentioned as an example of a partner that funded a specific project. That's the organisation that gives money to the trans movement, isn't it?

That would certainly explain some things.

The GoFundMe money should only go to the fight against self-ID on AWS. This alone could easily use up all the money (£20,000 is a tiny budget for any proper legal proceedings) in which case more would be needed. It would be harder to get more if potential donors could see that donated money had also been spent on other causes

Yy - this in spades

The only way that all the money won't be swallowed up by the legal action is if a) the Labour Party concede that they have acted illegally before the case gets to court (very unlikely to happen); or b) if the action is withdrawn before the case gets to court (hopefully unlikely to happen)

Otherwise it's more likely that there will need to be another rattle of the collecting pot in order to get the legal action over the finish line, particularly if it gets into appeals and so forth

Thank you for looking further

thegoalistostay Heres the scottish poll wingsoverscotland.com/the-law-that-nobody-wants/

screenshots.firefox.com/6hcd9f0xgzn4slJQ/wingsoverscotland.com The actual poll-if my first screenshot works!

Women maybe angry and cancel membership but the party is probably more worried about men leaving or not voting.

DP (‘cis’ male for the avoidance of doubt) is another Labour voter lost over self-ID.

DP (‘cis’ male for the avoidance of doubt) is another Labour voter lost over self-ID.

There are a lot of people leaving over a lot of things and if the paper headlines yesterday are true there will probably be loads more.

"My Labour MP thinks women who want women only spaces are bigots that need re-educating."

I've just made a similar point on another thread, but I'd really love to be there when this MP has to explain to a group of female Muslim voters that they are "transphobic".