Labour are not losing women this week... poll bounces back.

[JenniferJames]

Latest @yougov poll calls into question the #labourlosingwomen narrative. Women Labour voters are up five percentage points from last week's poll (40 to 45). Possible a blip not a trend?

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 41% (+2)
CON: 40% (-3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
GRN: 2% (-1)

via @YouGov, 12 - 13 Feb

Full results: yougov.co.uk/news/2018/02/16/voting-intention-conservatives-40-labour-41-12-13-/

I think we have to acknowledge that Stonewall et al have rewritten polices everywhere to ram the transgender agenda home. If we don't wake up to this now...

... it will become completely invisible. To the benefit of transwomen and the detriment of biological women.

And how do we know already, as biological women, how many and which people in the various areas that have influenced the self-ID debate are biological women vs Transwomen, including transwomen who are still biologically intact men?

Everyone knows that biological males - particularly intact biological males - have different interests to those with female bodies in many important areas relating to women's rights and safety.

Where is the concern for gatekeeping? Why would anyone who wants to live as a woman and also cares about women's rights and safety NOT be asking this question?!?

With all due respect Jennifer, I have to add I did contribute to your crowd fund, I find this poll suspicious. It simply means that little shits, that I know who are in momentum and got you suspended, have simply manipulated the figures. These are men who hate AWS and are happy to throw transwomen under the Pink Labour bus. Dare any one call them out as Tories?

All I know is that Corbyn has just ordered the party to have a consultation on self-id and that it's in motion. I have no other details than that, nothing's been finalised yet. Nobody's met anybody yet but plans are taking shape. We will do what we can!

I had no idea about this until a month or two ago. I am now raging that this is still going on and no one is calling it out at Westminster.

I get it if you missed the issues as an MP - so did I. Do people not see it? Or do they not care?

Sorry Jennifer cross-posted. Thanks for the update, appreciated.

No I posted in response so you wouldn't tell me off! ;-) xx

My Labour MP thinks women who want women only spaces are bigots that need re-educating.

There is also the problem of Brexit though as well. 15,000 emails within a week is a huge problem. I left the Labour Party, will still vote for them, because of Brexit and the AWS and self ID was, for me, the icing on the cake. I had a bad feeling about Corbyn all along, I didn't vote for him. I trust my feelings after emerging from an abusive relationship. He is not very bright, not as intelligent as May, and his lack of intellect has allowed disarray within the party. It's a mess I don't wish to see, nor do I want this.

For what it's worth I think the Conservative Party is in a worse mess. The party may well implode. However, this will be pounced on by Labour to try to bolster votes. Sorry, but that sort of negativity no longer sits comfortable with me and a lot of people I know.

My CLP is so terrified of regional, membership and compliance that it won't pass an anti self-ID motion.

The GE manifesto put 4x more money into student finance than it did reversing welfare cuts.

I don't think it helps to misrepresent the position of the Labour leadership, which is to court the middle class youth vote and student activist bloc.

I don't like saying this. It's not what I want my party to be doing. But being in denial about what it's doing isn't going to get us anywhere.

In the end, the women here put women's rights above the Labour Party - above whichever party it is they vote for. They know they are politically homeless at the moment and they are hoping to create enough pressure that at least one political party will break cover and prioritise the rights and protections of women and girls. I honestly think most women here are past caring which party that is.

I know it's not what you want to hear, Jen. It's not ideal for a hippytastic old leftist like me, either. But it is what it is.

My Labour MP thinks women who want women only spaces are bigots that need re-educating.

Well that's a vote winner right there. Going to go down well with swathes of voters, that one.

Does he fancy telling my next door neighbour that his teenage daughter needs reducating because she doesn't want people with penises in the women's shower and changing rooms just because they say they feel like women? Because I don't think calling him a bigot for being concerned about it is going to go down well.

Labour have always felt complacent in that once a voter always a voter and unfortunately this is usually built on some truth. Women maybe angry and cancel membership but the party is probably more worried about men leaving or not voting. The belief that women will put the agenda of austerity and the NHS above everything and on voting day will still vote labour.

Calling someone a bigot didn't do Gordon Brown any good but it seems to be mainstream labour policy now?

Labour have decided its time to put the big into bigot

The headline says fuck all. As does that figure which suggests that support for Labour has gone up in women.

You can't draw those type of conclusions when you have 20% of women discounted from the headline figure because they fall under 'don't know'.

Done a long boring explainer on another thread.

Survey does say stuff, if you look at trends and have a bit of background knowledge, but is not exactly black and white. The headline figure in particular is just a meaningless abomination of stats.

Labour have decided its time to put the big into bigot

Love it!

Labour should be ahead in the polls, Brexit a shambles, NHS crises and now the Self IS issue

I think more people at the moment are concerned with Brexit and Labour simply are not addressing the issue

I cancelled my membership I have no idea why I am still getting emails from them the latest on how to defeat the Tories by going on a march yep that’s really helping another March what about ministers do some really fucking work and work on an alternative Brexit plan

They are fucking useless people are now beginning to see that and lazy too

Self ID

Not IS

Self-IS looks to me like a pithy summary of Momentum.

Labour have officially lost the plot sadly....

labour voters 39, female 40. This week's is male 36, female 45.

Sorry, there is no way that labour are GAINING women voters through all of this nonsense. Looks really dodgy to me.

They have now lost a bunch of male ones, and suddenly female ones are on the up. I think we can figure out whats going on here.

Apparently there is no opposition whatsoever to self id outside of a few terfs on Twitter ...

I find it really sad how gleeful they are about all this. They are like children. When are the adults in Labour going to take control of them? It devalues the party absolutely to see this kind of behaviour.

I've really had the scales fall from my eyes in the last couple of months. But what I can't believe is that there is a Men's Rights Activist in the post of Women's Officer. He hates women and makes no secret of it. Does JC not see how this reflects on him and Labour?

My Labour MP thinks women who want women only spaces are bigots that need re-educating.

Mine too. My sisters ignores all mails about it now. She got a reply ages back basically saying she was a bigot (even after going into how this is not hypothetical and she had actually been on the recieing end of violence for being a lesbian, from a 'transbian' who said she was transphobic for refusing dick) but ever since then, he has ignored everything she has sent, and also ignores stuff her friends send (incase its her name blacklisted or something.)

So many of my friends are saying they could not vote AT ALL if there was a general election tomorrow. A lot of them are diehard Corbyn fans too but they actually care about womens rights and say that this issue is absolutely huge as it has the potential to roll back womens rights a hundred years (not just AWS obviously, self-ID in general)

I think if Labour continue down this route, they will get a huge shock. And definitely if the Tories commit to scrapping the whole idea. I have a feeling the next election would have a recordbreaking low turnout percentage. I always thought I could never bring myself to vote Tory. Even moreso since developing my illness and finding out quite how badly the poos/disabled are treat under then. But as I said in another thread, I would rather endure another 10 years of cuts, than have my children (and more specifically my daughter) grow up in a world were there is no sex segregation. I do think, if the Tories dropped this, and Labour pushed ahead with saying they would put self-ID into law, I could bring myself to vote Tory now. It would still be with a heavy heart mind you, but this is THE most important matter to me right now. And honestly, I think it should be to everyone. not just to women, but to men..even if it will not affect them, it will affect their daughters, their mothers, their sisters, and so on.

the poor/disabled even, not the poos