Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

[goodyzoe]

"The 3-point fall in the Labour share [in You Gov poll] is entirely explained by a 6-point fall among women (from 46% to 40%)"

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 39 (-3)
LD 8 (+2)

@jenniferjames says "Oh fucking hell. I broke the Labour party. :-( "

I've got very mixed feelings. On the one hand - go everyone! They'll have to take notice - surely?

But - Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

But - we have to stick up for ourselves don't we.

Starting to think the people who say the rapid rise in TRA ideology is being fuelled by those who stand to benefit from a divided left might have a point.

www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/961537001689370624

She’s been suspended and tbh they don’t give great details over why (ever, not just with her). I suspect she’ll have been suspended due to alleged harassment of an individual (Lily M). You don’t get suspended for opposing party policy anyway.

Corbyn’s personal views are not the same as party policy.

That’s the current NEC position on AWS. Not party policy on self id. They’re different things.

LovesLaboursLost,

Corbyn said: "THE POSITION OF THE PARTY is that where you have self-identified as a woman, you are treated as a woman".

Are you saying he is mistaken? Telling lies? What exactly?

Corbyn’s personal views are not the same as party policy

Give it time.

My CLP are working on a motion to women’s conference about it (with broad agreement that we’re fine with trans women being on AWS, but not with self id).

I’m less fine with this by the day.

I was happy with it until I understood the breadth of the new trans umbrella, and the rendering meaningless of the word/concept ‘woman’.

I can’t get on board with the fiction and I don’t like the potential real world outcomes.

I am not prepared to vote for Labour ATM but I do think retaining party membership and working for a party that recognises and addresses women's concerns regarding the GRA and any reforms is worthwhile.

I don't have a lot of faith but also think no-platforming oneself is not going to help.

I know another five years of Tory rule is an horrific prospect. But it's five years. Being unable to measure women in order to help them is forever.

I will never, ever, ever, ever, vote for a political party that has self-ID in its manifesto. Never. Fin.

I also agree with this.

At this point, I would vote Tory if they opposed self-ID.

I am a lifelong Labour voter.

I can't afford to vote for another 5 years of this mess. But we all have to make tough choices I guess.

I have never felt more strongly on any issue. I have never been more angry than I am now. No party that erases women will ever have my vote

This. And not just 'takes self ID temporarily off their manifesto' - which is likely to happen near to an election only to be carried out anyway the second the party is safely in power. Only a party that is decisively and coherently standing up against self ID with a clear rational of women's rights/safeguarding/multiple other reasons is getting my vote.

I'm a floating voter rather than a tribal one and right now there is no way Labour or Lib Dems or WEP are parties I can support. There will be a LOT of reliance in those parties of women voting for the because of the 'bigger picture and not just one issue' or 'I can't in all conscience vote for x'. They believe that women will when the crunch comes, just hold their noses and vote for them anyway. Watch out too for the combination of scares and promised sweeties for women as election time approaches. I'll open the book now that those sweeties will be aimed solely at biological women proving that the parties in question know very well there's a difference in needs and interests when it suits them.

I don't want another five years of the Tory boys club, and Theresa May is another woman under a bus, only allowed power because none of the powerful men were willing to take responsibility for the shit show of Brexit. The second that's done, those men will suddenly don their shining armour and step up to rescue the party from a 'bad leader' and dump the unpopularity on her.

But better five more years of crap but than the end of Women's Rights.
Once this goes on the statute books it will be utter hell to undo. My hope is that if women fight this hard enough we will see the Labour party split, and with luck an actual sensible left and even better, a woman-led and Kool-Aid free party will emerge.

and Theresa May is another woman under a bus, only allowed power because none of the powerful men were willing to take responsibility for the shit show of Brexit. The second that's done, those men will suddenly don their shining armour and step up to rescue the party from a 'bad leader' and dump the unpopularity on her.

Those little shits like Boris and Gove think we haven’t spotted this, but we have. I think their cowardice should render them permanently out of the running. TM wasn’t the one cheerleading Brexit in the run up to the referendum...

My hope is that if women fight this hard enough we will see the Labour party split, and with luck an actual sensible left and even better, a woman-led and Kool-Aid free party will emerge.

Here’s hoping.

Labour has a democratic policy making structure. If you leave and encourage other women to do so before any policy has been decided (and Corbyn stating a position does not make it party policy), you are making it more likely that self id will become policy.

Ann Ruzylo tweeted this morning that she had heard that Labour will stick to the Law on AWS, so no self identification. She must be pretty certain to have gone public.

Sorry but I think you are thinking of a different Labour party, that party doesn't exist anymore. Not just in terms of this issue but in terms of its make up. It makes me very sad but it doesn't make it any less true.

and Theresa May is another woman under a bus

Absolutely. I've never voted Tory in my life but admire her for taking on such an obviously poisoned chalice.

Unless labour start to engage and listen to women on this issue I cannot vote for them. A good number of transexuals are speaking out about how ill thought out self Id is.

I look at where Canada and America are with the whole push of transcult and it really scares me. I want the Tories out, I want the brexit mess sorted. But ultimately I cannot vote against the interest and safety of my sex. I just can't.

Both my catholic Northern Ireland born grandparents died without ever having owned a property and therefore being able to vote (Grandad died in '67 so just missed it), it feels like such an insult to their memory to spoil my ballot .

Labour cannot and will not win the next election without women.

I feel like a motherless child politically right now.

I'm seeing it all over Facebook today. Local Labour women leaving my CLP over self-ID. Many also citing Corbyn, Momentum and anti-Semitism.

It's properly happening.

The treatment of the former Haringey council leader may have lost Labour some votes among women too.

Demanding that women either submit or git may not have been the Labour Party's wisest move when the women asked for a discussion on the effects of self ID.

My hope is that if women fight this hard enough we will see the Labour party split, and with luck an actual sensible left and even better, a woman-led and Kool-Aid free party will emerge.

Doubt it. Momentum take over, bullying claims, anti semitism, Corbyn and Brexit has had no other party emerge. Can't see this would be any different.

Labour has a democratic policy making structure. If you leave and encourage other women to do so before any policy has been decided (and Corbyn stating a position does not make it party policy), you are making it more likely that self id will become policy.

It's that supposed to inspire confidence?

That the party leader has stating that it is the "position of the party" when it isn't Party policy?

It also makes it more likely that Corbyn's Labour becomes a very small, very inwardly focused, male only club that implodes.

Staying in the weak hope of 'changing things from the inside' is swapping deckchairs around on the Titanic. She's going down whatever you do at this point.

And at this point it needs to implode and the sooner the better. This mess is not electable.

Forallthesaints, the Haringey council thing was locals opposing a housing development decision. Quite rightly so imo.

I am a former member and am sad. It's finished. A new party for the women, Jews, soft left and centrists will emerge. Someone has to create it.

Leave the bully boys, conspiracy theorists and trans cult to it.